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21) Residents in Phoenix Street - 1922

RESIDENTS IN PHOENIX STREET - 1922

(Goole Times Year Book for 1921 missing)

1.  O. G. Taylor
3.  G. W. Hodgson
5.  S. Ullathorne
7.  W. J. Perrett
9.  Sarah A. Salter
11. D. Brown
13. J. W. Talbot
15. G. Gordon
17. B. W. Dougherty
19. E. W. Jacklin
21. W. Blakey
23. J. Wigglesworth
25. G. F. Andrews
27. W. H. Heselwood
29. E. Martin
31. G. F. Bruce
33. W. Jackson
35. S, Whiteley
37. B. Hancox
41. H. Jackson
43. Alice E. Gunther
45. C. L. Taylor
47. J. Speight
49. W. Cawthorne
51. G. H. Ashworth
53. H. Bambridge
55. J. Shipley

2.  The Shop
4.
6.  Jemima Longman
8.  G. W. Jackson
10. Flor. E. Bateman
12.
14. H. J. Knott
16. C. Martin
18. J. R. Bradley
20. Hannah Spence
22. H. G. Wellard
24. J. W. Sutherby
26. Louisa Hebden
28. W. Rice
30. Eliza A. Gray
32. P. Lonie
34. Susan Brook/R. Thompson
36. Janey Hebden
38. J. A. Speight/Arton, H.T.
40. C. Whitehead
42. W. R. Barlow
44.
46. J. F. Grice
48. H. Campbell
50. H. Bray
52. P. T. Adams
56. F. A. Campbell
54. E. Law

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Visitor Comments

Posted by Pedro at 04/01/2008 18:25

RE-49 would love to find out which W.Cawthorn lived here at this time as my mother was a Cawthorn her father was Whittle Brown C and her uncle was William C.My mother on her marriage 1925 residing here

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 05/01/2008 08:45

Can't think right now how this can be determined. The names I have copied would clearly have been distinguishable at the time, but who might remember now? Perhaps there are others out there who can solve this one. Hope the latest postings will bring some more folks forward.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 05/01/2008 09:08

Presuming your uncle was your mother's brother, would he have been living in his own home at this date? Had he married by then? If so, would his wife's family have been local to this address? Perhaps you can fill out your grandfather's occupancy by this means - who was living at home at the time etc. Did your mother, on her marriage, live with her parents? If so, perhaps your uncle did too and the "W" was attached to the senior Cawthorne, your grandfather. As you will see, in some cases, adult children's initials were added to the family entries - when I assume they still lived at home. In this case, it suggests the entry would have been the senior family member. I will look at earlier and later years than 1922 for any changes.

Posted by Pedro at 05/01/2008 17:07

William was my mothers uncle only brother of whittle brown Cawthorn her father .

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 06/01/2008 19:13

Sorry Pedro, about the mix up of relations. Will see what I can check around years in question.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 09/01/2008 18:34

Pedro, it is going to be a process of family knowledge of dates etc. and a process of elimination too by the look of what I have listed below. Not gone beyond 1924 as yet. If you can say roughly when WBC may have left P. Street, that could be useful. From all the census listings, it seems William George may have been known as George within the family household, and perhaps he is the WGCawthorn/e at addresses below. If you can point to any connections that may need following up, please do so. Hope this might help with 49 Phoenix Street resident. Seems that W. B. Cawthorn (no final 'e') in 1881 was next younger brother of George William. All at Poole then. 1891 WB parents and family apart from WB (possibly at sea?) at Goole - 59 Jefferson St. Older brother listed as "George". 1901 WB was married and living at St. Mark's Terrace with his wife Edith and Albert E, 2 mo. b. Castleford. 1907 - a GW Cawthorne (added 'e') at 16 4th Ave 1907 - a W. Cawthorne at 48 Swinefleet Rd 1909/10/11 - a W. Cawthorne at 18 Quay Street 1907/9/11 - a W. Cawthorne at 8 Fleemans Buildings 1907/9/10 - a Wm. Cawthorne at 69 Jefferson Street 1911/12/13 - a W. Cawthorne at 69 Jefferson Street 1912/13/14 - a W. Cawthorne at 10 Fleemans Buildings 1912/13/14/15/16/19/21 - a G. W. Cawthorn at 64 Gordon Street 1914/15/16 - a W. Cawthorn (no 'e') at 77 Jefferson Street 1912/13/14/15/16/19 - a W. Cawthorne at 6 Bk Vermuyden Terrace 1916 - a W. Cawthorn (no 'e') at 2 St. George's Terr. 1915/16/21/24 - a W. Cawthorne at 49 Phoenix Street 1919/21/24 - a W. Cawthorn (no 'e') at 2 Adeline Street 1921/24 - a W. Cawthorne at 52 South Street

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 09/01/2008 18:45

Reading again, your earlier comments. You say William was only brother of WBC. According to 1891 Census entries at 59 Jefferson St Goole, William (no Brown) Cawthorn 41 seaman, married to Lucy 38. Their children shown as George (William) 18, Lillian (Helena)14, Arthur 9, Bertie 6, Elsie 2 and Alice 1 mo. Arthur and younger children all born at Goole. It would seem that between Lil(l)ian (Helena), and Arthur, there was a daughter Alice Louisa aged 8 mo. in 1881, born at Poole as were her older sister and two brothers.

Posted by Pedro at 09/01/2008 22:52

Many many thanks as you have helped with the missing links Bertie Arthur and Elsie.Their dad (my ggrandfather) Was Deffinately William Brown Cawthorn (his mum was Elizabeth Brown)born knottingley as he was abt 1850. I can now get back to the family tree.Cant seem to locate Alice Louisa tho I knew her as Alice Gordon residing on her marriage at Swinefleet but later moving to Leeds with son Jack daughters Vera and Patricia.I last met her at my Grandfathers funeral(Whittle Brown Cawthorn) in the early 50s.Any help with her would be greatly appreciated.Many thanks again

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/01/2008 09:26

Small amount of time spent so far, Pedro, but am really glad it has been helpful because usually it is you doing all the work. Now that I know I am on the track, will continue with more if I can find further mentions. Seems there were two baby daughters, both called Alice, but that the older child may not have lived to come to Goole. Was the Alice you knew the very youngest one, born at Goole?

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/01/2008 10:32

It strikes me that your G.Grandfather, William Brown Cawthorn, b. Knottingley about 1850, has a similar seafaring background to Joseph Fozzard, another P. Street resident I am looking at. Both men sailed to Poole. Fozzard lived aboard his vessel, whereas your G.Grandfather married, presumably a Poole-born? wife and lived ashore for a time. Is there any family background that you know about your G.Grandfather's ships, cargos, masters, whatever, that took him to Poole from Knottingley? If so, it might paint a picture that I cannot fill in for Fozzard at present. I will get back to the Cawthorn research today all being well.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/01/2008 13:44

Pedro, lots of stuff, some you may already know. ALICE LOUISA 8 mo.1881 - died Jan/Feb/March quarter 1885 at Goole. (shows that family had moved here by that date) ELSIE (HARLAND) 2 yrs 1891 - died 1905 at Goole aged 16. GEORGE WILLIAM married April/May/June quarter 1894 at Goole to Emily Curtis. ALICE BEATRICE 1 mo.1891 (born March) - and A. B. GORDON at 25 Low Street Swinefleet from 1937. No signs of her marriage, children, move to Leeds found as yet. BERTIE HARLAND b. March 1885 at Goole (around same time as Alice Louisa died) in 1901 aged 15 and a Painter. He married Jan/Feb/March 1906 either Isabella Hewson or Alice Smith, probably the former, but names of two couples married at same time and can't distinguish other than by guesswork! MAURICE ALFRED b. June 1894 at Goole, married 1919 Elsie Eyre at Goole. 1901 Census shows Lucy Cawthorn 48 at 59 Jefferson Street, wife. Bertie Harland, Alice Beatrice 10, Maurice Arthur 7 and a grandson - William Richard Pigott 4 born at Goole Sept. 1897. Finding some of these relations was difficult because they were wrongly named - i.e. Alice Beatrice shows up as "Selia" Beatrice, because Mormon researchers read Alice as such. It was unclear but not so different. Also Li(l)ian Helena shows up as a Lilian Eleanor. There is also a "Whittle Cawthorn" married 1907 to Rosetta Bartlett at Goole and a "Whittle Cawthorn" b. and died Jan/Feb/March 1918, mother maiden name "Bartlett". Do you have details of your Grandmother Edith? She is on 1891 census while living at home at 15 Third Avenue and daug. of Tug No. 6 Engineer at Goole. Any queries, do say.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/01/2008 14:03

Don't know if you have noticed, but a G. Gordon at 15 P. Street above. Could that be your Grandfather's married sister Alice Beatrice's home? Or the home of her husband's family? If you look at 1931, both G. Gordon and G. Gordon Junior appear at 15. And a G. Gordon at 46 P. Street in 1940. Do you know Alice Gordon's husband's first name and whether he went to sea or what he did? - the entry in street directory for Swinefleet 1937 is in AB Gordon's name, suggesting she was head of household.

Posted by Pedro at 10/01/2008 20:59

Many thanks again I have my grandads wedding cert 1901 showing him Whittle Brown Cawthorn residing in Jefferson St (mariner) marrying Edith Taylor daughter of Edward(marine engineer) residing Dunhill Rd. witnesses George William Cawthorn Bro of the groom and maud Taylor who I guess was the brides sister. Somewhat confused about Alice Louisa Cawthorn 8 months The one I have is Alice Louisa born Poole abt 1880 at Avenue Blds Poole. this one was indeed was a few yrs younger than Whittle her bro.and the one we remember living in Swinefleet in the 1940s Known as Alice Gordon I spoke with my Brother tday (now in his 84th year) and Neither of us can recall ever seeing her husband?She turned up at the funeral of grandad as prev stated in the 50s and we lost all contact afterwards. I believe Edith Taylor my GMother died young as my mum and her sis Florence raised the the siblings while her dad was at sea. My brother pointed out to me today the gable end of a house in Jefferson St (left hand side from Boothferry Rd) faded lettering reading W.Cawthorn Painter and decorator Moorland Rd Goole. He believes this to be George William grandads bro.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/01/2008 21:03

Pedro, have you read Gosney and Bowyer's Sailing Ships and Mariners of Knottingley? Checking this booklet for a vessel, I see Whittle Brown listed as a mariner in Lloyds Captain's Register of 1869. He must be your G G Grandfather. I got my booklet price £6.95 and pub. by Ron Gosney and Sons ISBN 0 9534696 0 3 some time since.

Posted by Pedro at 10/01/2008 23:50

Thanks again for info but my ggrandfather was William Brown Cawthorn he had a brother Whittal Brown ( my grandad been WHittle) The spelling differences caused me lots of confusion in my search. Whittal married into the Kay family then came whittle kay Cawthorn all relatives tho. Similar differences in my own family my grandad spelt Cawthorn had sons for some reason surname spelt Cawthorn(e) I even have cousins in goole Direct decendants of Whittle Cawthorn using the name Cawthorn(e) and two of my mothers brothers bearing this name on their gravestones. But birth certs showing Cawthorn.

Posted by Pedro at 11/01/2008 00:05

Also believe my GGGrandfather was William C.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 11/01/2008 09:07

Hi Pedro, You know your own family best, but this Lloyds certificated guy was born in 1820 and name is spelled like your Whittle. I wondered if he was not related to your Elsie Brown? Do the dates fit? I have mixed up the no. of greats perhaps, as you are right in that your grandfather's father was William Brown Cawthorn, b. 1850. However, I would have thought same spelling of Whittle, used by Gosney who is a very careful researcher, and it certainly suggested the family name coming down from Whittle Brown 1820 to Elsie Brown and via her to your grandfather. Can understand difficulties of finding folks with similar names and weeding out. The problems are compounded when you use ancestry, because their researchers even read names as completely other!

Posted by Pedro at 11/01/2008 09:26

thanks re checking in case I made a boop

Posted by Pedro at 11/01/2008 17:30

Many thanks again this is the route I have been taking William Cawthorn born1809 married Elizabeth Brown of Beal born 1811 Siblings Sarah Anne C-Robert Brown C-Martha Brown C-Edward C-ElizabethC-Thomas Brown C-Whittal Brown C (married into kays of Hook)-Louisa C- and my GGrandad William Brown Cawthorn born 1850 Iwould appreciate any further info as I have not come across another Whittle B C apart from william Browns son (my Grandad) Born Poole 1875 died Goole in the 1950s.

Posted by Pedro at 11/01/2008 17:37

Checked out that sign today on the gable of the house actually it is Gordon St directly opposite Goole Times I took a photo before it disappears completely.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 11/01/2008 21:14

Thanks, Pedro. You are a stalwart, and if Goole was run by the likes of you and your kind, it would be a better place. I will get back to you on the further points, but you do seem to have a continuous family tree on brief looking at tonight's messages. Blogs is not a term that does justice to the quality never mind the quantity of your know-how. It brightens life immensely to know that some folks have such close connections whether family or community. More to come soonest.

Posted by Pedro at 11/01/2008 23:02

Many thanks for your kind words but not forgetting the likes of your goodselves without such websites imagine the local history of our historic town lost forever.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 12/01/2008 12:04

Whittle Brown - 1. a rough search shows Whittle Brown, b.c.1784 married to Mary living in Yorkshire 1841 and 1851 census. 2. A younger Whittle Brown b. c. 1821 spouse Mary in 1871 Census. 3. And someone else is looking for Whittle Brown b. 1783 Knottingley died 1 March 1852 Pontefract. I shall follow up these leads at free ancestry and report back

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 12/01/2008 16:47

Not connected up anything yet, but the Robert Brown sibling is interesting. Beal where his mother was born is of course the next settlement down-river from Knottingley on the Aire. WHITTLE BROWN CAWTHORN: With such an unusual name there surely must be a family link to the mother's maiden name of Brown as well as Whittle. WHITTLE BROWN b.1820 : 1861 CENSUS Family aboard vessel Concord at Holyhead, Anglesey - WB, Master, aged 40, his wife Mary 39, Emily Ann 12, John 7 and Robert 5. The mate was a Knottingley born man John Finney and there was also a boy crew. 1871 CENSUS: WB 50 a mariner, and his wife Mary 49, and family - Emily A. 22, Mary E. 21 a dressmaker, John 16 and Robert 15 both mariners, at Cow Lane, Knottingley. WHITTLE BROWN b. 1820, death Dec. 1907. aged 87 registered Pontefract. 1881 CENSUS - ROBERT BROWN: Aged 26, unmarried, b. Knottingley, AB Seaman on vessel "Black Cat" on Calstock River, Tamar, Devon. Master - Wm. Colbridge Lilford, b. Thorne, aged 42. 1891 CENSUS - ROBERT BROWN: Aged 36, married, AB Crew member aboard "/navarra" at Rotherhithe, London - Mate - Wm. Denby. WHITTLE BROWN B.1783 - 1841 CENSUS: Whittle B and his wife Mary, ages rounded up to 55 and 50, at Knottingley. 1851 CENSUS: WB was 67, retired mariner, born Knottingley and he and Mary, born ?Setterington, Yks. 65. were living in Knottingley at what looks like Brin....? Hill. Their next door neighbours were also another well-known mariner - John Hudson and his family. That time the elderly Brown couple had a niece staying with them, Maria Holmes, 13, a schoolgirl, born at Lynn, Norfolk (Kings Lynn being another port). WB DEATH 1852: There is the death of a Whittle Brown registered Wakefield district in the April/May/June quarter, 1852. This seems to be most likely the same WB being searched for by a private ancestry-registered family tree contact who quoted Whittle Brown b. 1783 Knottingley, d. 1 Mar. 1852 Pontefract (give or take minor discrepancies in dates for this purpose).

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 12/01/2008 16:57

ELIZABETH CAWTHORN nee BROWN seems to be the obvious link for further checks on her ancestry. Born 1811, she is older than the 1820 WB who had a son called Robert, and younger than the 1783 WB, who would have been 28 in 1811. Could it be that Elizabeth and the 1820 WB were sister and brother, children of WB senior and his Mary? Room for more digging! Any possible thoughts on your part very welcome. Do you have any knowledge of anything - vessels, people, places, mentioned in previous posting?

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 12/01/2008 18:50

I must go and see this advert on the wall opposite GT. It occurs to me that if it gives an address in Moorland Road, then the 49 P Street would point to your grandfather being the resident, not his brother, at that time.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 12/01/2008 20:19

Talk about coming full circle! - A google search brought up this ref. to stuff on GAG. Ex lifeboat Dick Cawthorn A.E (real name Albert Ernest) of 5 Fleemans blds ...... leave his living vans to his wife and only single daughter, Edith Annie. ... www.goole-action-group.org.uk/page/history - 83k - Cached - Similar pages Is this grandmother Edith?

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 12/01/2008 21:03

No of course not, Edith was the daughter of the tugboat engineer!

Posted by Pedro at 12/01/2008 21:09

Mind Boggling I myself only researching the Cawthorns about a year now.Learning so much about my mothers family. All boils down to (if id only asked) I remember my Grandad showing a great interest in my own career at sea He Whittle Brown Cawthorn spent his last days with his daughter Florence(known to us as aunt Hetty) Residing in Union Place Goole I was never aware of him born in Poole until recently and my Mother born Maud Elsie Cawthorn at Hook 1907 never once mentioning it makes me wonder if she even knew.I did notice on movers and shakers ship page (ships in port 1901) on board the ship Contest is W.B.Cawthorn Grandad was married to edith Taylor 1901 was this is father William? everything seems to start with the village of Cawthorn Nr Barnsley The family Motto Non Metiro= I do not fear on the coat of arms. and the name Cawthorn = Caw by the cold and + thorn bush. all good stuff once again many thanks

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 12/01/2008 21:30

mind boggling to me too. I am giving up for today! Do add your thoughts, wild or otherwise, it might be the route to clarity or whatever working it out requires. At least we have an idea of the depths or far reaches it leads.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 12/01/2008 21:34

Union Place, known to me as a child too. Remember seeing it, if not actually visiting someone down there once, with my mother. We don't take enough notice at the time of course. Between us we can work it out, I am sure. I have been to Cawthorne too in my time.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 13/01/2008 09:06

For starters, here is a site on Beal, meaning of name, both the place up in Northumberland and also your G. Grandmother's village birthplace. http://www.one-name.org/profiles/beal.html

Posted by Pedro at 13/01/2008 14:30

Sorry in earlier posting I said ships in port 1901.Should have been 1881 looks more like ggrandad on the Contest

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 13/01/2008 14:59

Gosney again - this book is in Goole ref. library. p.74 refers to a Robert Brown Mate 1843 "Britannia" and to a John Brown Master 1844 "Fairy". Also reveals that Cow Lane was reached by a bridge of that name, and was in midst of canalside/shipyards - where the Whittle Brown family lived in 1871. So Robert and John Brown may have been carrying family names from earlier generation of Whittle Brown family, all past mariners by look of it. Still looks as if Elizabeth Brown b. 1811 holds the clues.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 13/01/2008 15:20

And here's another Brown quote from Gosney p.151 - deaths at sea. "John Brown, Master Mariner, son of John and Elizabeth Brown who was lost at sea from the vessel "Quiz" of Lynn, in January 1884, aged 33 years." Obviously, this Elizabeth Brown married into the "Brown" name, but it does show that John Browns of Knottingley were generations of mariners. As the Whittle Brown boys were John and Robert too, these strongly link into the seafaring pedigrees.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 15/01/2008 09:43

Remembered to look at the sign in Gordon Street yesterday. It is just discernible, and would not have been seen by me at any rate unless I knew to look. I pointed over my shoulder towards that gable end while talking to another history buff, who does tremendous amount on records for the local history society, as well as research on the old theatre etc. Good job you captured the photograph. As she said, it could be gone before too long, from weathering. Bet your great uncle never guessed it would be there after all this time. Do you have any idea when he lived in Moorland Road, to give some date for the sign?

Posted by Pedro at 15/01/2008 15:27

my brother born 1925 says he remembers visiting him when he attended St Thomas School as a child.So guessing it was in the 1930s I also wondered if there was a connection with the house in Gordon St or was it the norm to advertise on houses?

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 16/01/2008 18:07

Can't really say if it was the norm, but it was pretty common I think, judging from signs painted and lettered before advertising boards became big business. I will check streets directories for those two addresses when I next visit library. Are you going to try and do more on the Elizabeth Brown birth? I have been making wild stabs but nothing definite yet. Whittle is better bet, too many Eliz. and Wm. and Johns and so on in that period but I have found some Brown mariners far from Knottingley on census nights, and will hang on to these notes until they make sense! Ref. on Social History page for you from AP re earlier memory you posted.

Posted by Pedro at 16/01/2008 23:26

Seems my GGgrandmother Elizabeth Brown born beal1811 Married William Cawthorn on 23rd april 1832 at St Giles Knottingley 1841 living at Chapel hill with children Sara Ann Robert and Edward Cawthorn 1851 at Marsh End Knott as mariners wife 1861 at Shepherds Bridge Knott 1881 with daughter Sarah Ann Pollard on Lower Ropewalk Knott I havent found anything as yet on Elizabeths parents or siblings.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 17/01/2008 09:43

Addresses etc. useful for identifying subsequent findings. Many thanks.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 17/01/2008 10:13

Does any of following info fit into your Family? Found yesterday:1. CAWTHORN - William b.1809 d. 1869 aged 60 at Pontefract. 2. 1861 - CAWTHORN - William aged 46 a widower, b.Knottingley = Master of "Six Brothers" berthed Holyhead, Anglesey. 3. BROWNS: 1845 (1 Q) b. John Tummons BROWN. 1851 - John Tummons BROWN, 6, son of William, 45 Mariner and Catherine Brown, 37, siblings Sarah H. 2, Wm. 2 mo. , living with Wm. Brown's in-laws William, 66, Waterman and Mary, 65, TUMMONS and their daughter Adelaide, 20 at Marsh End (??Pontefract), all born Knottingley. ALSO resident was Mary E. BRANFORD, a Grand-daughter, aged 2 years. 4. 1861 - John Tummons Brown aged 16 b.1845 Knottingley a seaman aboard "Catherine" berthed Ipswich. Master was William TUMMONS, 41, b. Knottingley, and Master's wife Catherine TUMMONS, 36, b. Wisbech, Cambridgeshire. Another seaman, 19, born Danzig, Prussia. 5. 1881 - John Tummons BROWN, 36, Master, b. Knottingley, and William BROWN 30, married, b. Knottingley, Mate aboard "Elizabeth" at Plymouth. (Also AB and boy crew born elsewhere). 6. 1861 - Elizabeth BROWN 50, b. (illegible, but ?BaileoPurt?, Yks.) wife of William Brown, 46, b. Knottingley, aboard "Emma and Eliza" at Orfordness. Crew members Alfred Lillie Seaman 16 b. London and Joseph EYRE Mate, 19, b. Hull. 1912 - Catherine TUMMONS died aged 86 at Pontefract.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 18/01/2008 09:07

1. Cawthorn at 63 MOORLAND ROAD - only listing is B. H. Cawthorn from 1922. Not checked annually, but still there in 1930. Previously BHC at 19 Back Heber Terrace. 2. s.s. CONTEST - 1881 Wm Brown Cawthorn, aged 32, Seaman. 1891 WBC was Mate on ss. PARADOX, at Stanton's Wharf, London. Master was John Fielder. 3. WHITTLE BROWN (1820) - his son Robert: In 1901 Robert, aged 46, Mariner b.Knottingley, living at 3 William Street Goole (behind Christ Church where DIY place is now). Married to Eliza A., 45 b. Knottingley, sons William 17, and Albert Edward 11, both b. Goole

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 18/01/2008 09:16

I am a bit mystified about Wm. Brown Cawthorn being counted for census in two places at same time! 1881 at Poole and ss. Contest. 1891 at Goole and ss Paradox. Could be that his wife filled in the census return as if he were at home, when he was actually aboard.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 18/01/2008 09:30

I note Maurice Alfred Cawthorn m. Elsie Eyre. Do you have Elsie Eyre's ancestry yet?

Posted by Pedro at 22/01/2008 21:55

I guess that would be the case with census results.I havent come across a Maurice Cawthorn as yet.Im looking at William married to Elizabeth Brown and note he was the son of Thomas Cawthorn B1771 married Hannah Blackburn born same year all Knottingley.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 24/01/2008 10:13

Maurice Alfred was a younger brother of Grandfather Cawthorn. Eyre, his wife's maiden name, struck me as being another shipping family, perhaps. It should not surprise us that families married one or another's sons and daughters, as they were still doing in the Shuffleton streets until very recently, as you have shown. Are you exploring the parish registers, that I think Gosney published for Pontefract/Knottingley history society? I think he did all three, deaths, marriages and baptisms for those years before 1837 when registration was "nationalised".

Posted by Pedro at 10/02/2008 21:44

With Ref to your reply on 10/12008 at 13.44 name (Harland) I visited a Poole Dorset website recently and local gent kindly sent me this info on my great grandfather William Brown Cawthorn born Knottingley 1850.Apparently he married Lucy Harland of Poole Dorset marriage registered Dec Quarter 1871 in Poole. She was the daughter of George and Betsey Harland 1871 census residing at Blue Boar Lane Poole interesting to note he was also a Mariner as were his sons.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 12/02/2008 09:20

Pedro, this is great plus for your family research. I half-suspected it would be a family name, and for you to get confirmation from Poole is linking your lives very handsomely to the northern connection. Thanks for telling us readers.

Posted by Pedro at 12/02/2008 20:33

The same gent sent pictures of the streets including Avenue Blds that my GGrandfather resided with his new wife.Sadly he also sent me the same area now in the process of of been bulldozed.The boarded up windows reminding me of R.C and Phoenix St.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 13/02/2008 11:14

Don't let your hopes down just yet, Pedro. Stay tuned.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 13/03/2008 11:31

Pedro, log on to Digest Magazine for family history Knottingley people. You will find something to your advantage in surnames section!

Posted by Pedro at 14/03/2008 21:19

Did just that many thanks very interesting

Posted by Old Bill at 12/01/2009 20:14

I have just been on the site and I did not realise the last time I visited that it had comments. They make a good read. Especialy when I noted a ship that one of my lot was master of. My grandaunt Eliza Sutcliff’s husband John was master of “TheQuiz” of Lynn in 1881 . Berthed at Harwich.You mentioned in 13.1.2008. An entry in Gosney’s book (where would I find a copy?)P151 Death at sea of John Brown !884 whilst master of the same ship.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 12/01/2009 20:24

Welcome, Old Bill, You might have someone in common with Pedro if you are related to the Brown family. Gosney's book might still be in print, but try the Knottingley website above and browse by title and author - The Sailing Ships and Masters of Knottingley by Ron Gosney and Rosemary Bowyer M.A. ISBN 0 9534696 0 3 Otherwise get your local library to order a copy through the inter-library loan system. The book was published by Ron Gosney & Sons and printed by Harry Broadley of Goole, some years ago. Also try second-hand book websites.

Posted by Old Bill at 12/01/2009 20:29

Goole mariners pop up in the most remote places. Last year I found my Ggrandfather Charles Cook( brother to William Rawson Cook) and family living in Portland Dorset in 1861.Knowing that he spent his life as engineer on ships I could not believe what he was doing there..It turned out like his brother he trained as a boilersmith and what do they need in these huge Portland stone quarries,where they use massive steam equipment for parting the rocks. Boiler engineers. He later had a cottage at Skelton when they put the bridge up. He was born in Howdendyke so he was back to his roots.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 12/01/2009 20:33

And I have a relative on the other side of the family, paternal ancestry. She was Hannah Garrett of Airmyn, who married Thomas Gill, born at Knottingley (well-known name in Goole's marine lives) and at time of marriage, end 1870, he was living at Skelton Bridge Cottages, and working as Engineer. Later went to sea I believe, but I have not had time to trace them far in the 20th century, concentrating on earlier times for now.

Posted by Veronica Wilson at 15/12/2009 21:40 - Send Email

Hello I'm just wondering if you maybe able to help me. I'm doing my family tree and looking for information about William Denby. D.O.B 1855 in Wisbech. He married Mary Moody D.O.B 1856 born Goole. In 1881 census age 25 second mate on board SS China, Goole. In 1891 Mate on board SS Navrra Rotherhithe, London. In 1901 Master Mariner William was living at 30, Soltheron Street Goole with his wife Mary and family. Sunday March 11, 1906 SS Africa (Captain Denby) Bennett Steamship Co Ltd, arrived Goole docks. Mary Moody was the sister to my great grandmother Olive Moody. The Moody family were born and lived in Goole many years. I'm looking fro infromation on William and the Moody family, if anyone has anything at all would they contact me. Thank you
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