25) Contemporary Memories
RICHARD COOPER STREET 1953
Coronation Party
Image courtesy "Pedro"
PAULINE RAYWOOD was born in Phoenix Street, at No. 50. Her family left in 1957 to live in Chiltern Road. She remembers how "We used to warm our hands in the winter on Richies wall in the back lane behind where they had the bakery.
Mrs. HOODLESS lived in the corner house on the lane leading to Phoenix Street and my aunt Edna used to live next to her. She was married to Arthur ASHTON and they moved to Scunthorpe to live.
Next to her lived the OWENS family and Alma used to go to school with us. Her cousin is now married to my sister-in-law.
A family called WOOD used to live near the top of R.C.St and there was GOULDEN'S chip shop at the top end on the right,opposite another little shop where we used to buy sweets.
There used to be a family called STORR lived about half way up Richard Cooper Street and my uncle Reg married their daughter Maureen.
There was also a Mrs COOK who used to organise a trip to Cleethorpes every year and that was our family outing.
The OLDRIDGES used to live at the top end near the chip shop."
PAULINE'S daughter, MANDY, writes that her grand-father “RONALD VAN DER TAK, was a cook in the merchant navy. There were 8 children in their house at the time, 5 slept in a double bed with 3 at one end and 2 at the other. June, Pauline,( my mum),Wendy,Trevor and Kevin,2 slept top to tail in a single bed (Irene and Carole) and Kathleen slept in the bed with my nan and grandad.
They had only 2 bedrooms and the only heating they had was a Yorkshire range* in the kitchen which was the main living area. They used the attic in the summer to sleep some of the children but it was too cold and damp to use any other time of the year.They had an outside toilet and a small back yard.Out the front they used to play hopscotch but one of the neighbours didn't like the chalk grid so washed it off every time one was drawn!
Mum remembers a Mrs LEETHAM living next door (which could have been number 48.
Mrs BETTS lived over the road, and a Mrs CARROLLl.
Mrs HEADLEY ... lived at number 46, there was a family called OVERINGTON and another family with several children called CATTERALL."
PETRA'S DAD is in his seventies now, has a phenomenal memory. She reads the messages to him and this is what he came up with:
"VAN DER TAK originally dutchman settled in Goole. Ron and Reg, merchant seamen sons.
Also mentions Edna (ASHTON) R.Cooper St moved to Scunthorpe.
ROBINSON-Geoff's mother Annie lived next door to Riches shop, sisters Audrey and Anne (lived with grandmother JACKSON), other families-OWENS-SHIPLEY-RAMSKER-COOPER-STORR-PYPER-BRADLEY- Others were HOODLESS - Frank/Kath."
I think he could name the whole Street Residents - can't wait to visit.
During the war years people in these streets also took in lodgers. Mrs SMITHSON at No 52 had Irish lodgers.
When the children got married many lived in the front room of the same property.The mind boggles when you realise most people had very large families.These houses must have been really overcrowded.
VALERIE PENCO. formerly WEALLEANS, nee ROBINSON, lives in Australia, since 1971. She has many links with Richard Cooper Street:
"My paternal grandmother lived there for years. I'm not sure of the house number., but it was next door to the bakery/general store. Her name was Ellen (Nellie) JACKSON, formerly ROBINSON, nee BULLOCK. She had 4 children, Arthur, (my father) Nellie Annie, and William (Bill). Bill is the only survivor, and now lives in Birmingham, since approx. 1936/7. He's now 88.
Arthur and his wife Mildred lived in the street leading into Richard Cooper St. (forgotten the name - (?Carlisle Street) after they married, but aunt Nellie and her husband Tom PYPER lived at number 45 (I think) Their children James, lived at number 5 or 7 and their daughter Joan LYALL, formerly BELLAMY (nee Pyper), lived at number 1.
I, along with my mother and eldest daughter, and youngest sister Hilary, lived at number 3 briefly, in 1963.
Nellie JACKSON, and her daughter Nellie, all lived at their respective addresses until their deaths. James still lives there,(though I believe he may now be in a rest home) and Joan lived there for approx. 20 years. She now lives in Hull.
"My father, Arthur worked at the shipyards, as a riveter, I believe, but I'm not sure for how long. It would have been approx 1931/2. He left to join the prison service, where he worked for many years as a prison officer. He was also a swimming champion...whether that was Goole champion or Yorkshire or whatever, I don't know. He died in 1963."
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Visitor Comments
Posted by Pedro at 09/05/2007 22:41
Joan (formerly) Piper still in goole saw her in Tescos. On her marriage she lived at No2(opposite Gleadows)the only house with a wall around it wasnt this the first house to be vacated and boarded up when the rot set in???
Posted by Pedro at 16/05/2007 20:49
As Fleemans Bldgs played a large part in this areas history.Here is my recollections of families in these houses.
No1 Cooledge later Marshall
No2 Walker
No3 Gardners later Walker
No4 Tyler
No5 Cawthorn
No6 Mrs Wright
No7 Mrs Weston later Dennis family
No8 Greensides later Thompsons
No9 Coggan
No10 Walkers
No11 Mrs Sargeant
No12 Pattison (end house near the lane to Axholme St)
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 17/05/2007 07:49
Fleeman's Buildings - Families, 1891 Census
(House Nos. not given)
Eli Alcock; Mary Alcock; Albert Haigh; Thomas W. Gardiner; Louisa Townend; Michael Bateman; Ann E. King; George Mellor; Henry Allerton; Samuel Woffenden; Tom Kitcherman; Mary A. Brooks.
Mill Yard - Families, 1891 Census
No. 2 George Heron; No. 3 Joseph F. Boynton; No. 4 Samuel Lister.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 17/05/2007 08:02
Fleeman's Buildings - 1901 Census:
No. 1 - James Brears;
No. 2 - Susannah Gardiner;
No. 3 - Eliza Ransome;
No. 4 - Henry Jackson;
No. 5 - Rhoda Walker;
No. 6 - Samuel Whitely;
No. 7 - John Longhorn;
No. 8 - Edward A. Alcock;
No. 9 - Eliza Atkinson;
No.10 -John Johnson;
No.11 -Edwin P. Alcock;
No.12 -Eli Alcock.
Posted by Pedro at 17/05/2007 22:26
I took a drive around the area today amazing.I wouldnt attempt to negotiate my car thro the lane between the streets.How on earth did Miss Woodhall parking adjacent to Richies bake house with her van manage it.She would load up bread and confectionary delivering to the two shops in Boothferry Rd and Revells on Marshfield Rd.Also the coal delivery by Mr Barnards with a great shire horse and cart humping coal bags up the back entrances. There seemed to be more room for manouvre in my days I guess it was because I was so small.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 18/05/2007 08:41
Well, I only ever negotiated those back lanes with a pram!
But perhaps what happened was that the coal was humped much further, from cart in cross-lane or front street, down the alleys to backyards. And trays of bread taken from bakehouse through shop to that float I seem to remember being used for distribution. None of this modern emphasis on hygiene and health and safety that "bugs" us now.
And did you come across young and old with handcarts, helping themselves to whatever it is they are taking away while these streets are empty?
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 05/06/2007 19:22
Met one of the last four residents in P Street at the bottle bank today.
Learned that only four left in each of the 2 Shuffleton Streets.
It seems that ERYC is intent on blitzing the area, whether or not it has planning permission to do so.
Await further communications from the high command!
Keep Believing.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 05/06/2007 19:28
Researching at the Library on a lovely sunny day.
I realised from H. Garside c. long ago local historian, that SHUFFLETON was nearly given as street name for Marshfield Avenue when it was developed early 20th century.
Local Councillors turned it down. After the exclusive "Salisbury" and "Cecil", followed by "metropolitanism" of Kingsway, Broadway and Queensway, plain humble Shuffleton was not to be countenanced by aspiring businessmen and town rulers.
So what have we ended up with at the beginning of the 21st century? A Council that believes parts of Shuffleton should be demolished, while said "ways" are turned into traffic-ridden streets!
Posted by Pedro at 01/07/2007 22:30
Did I mention Billy Spence? He was the local insurance collector. Brittanic,Pearl or was it Family Providence? He would collect the cash on the penny policies this would enable some poor soul to bury another.My own Mothers policy shows receipt for the grand total of £29 .14 shilling on her death in 1961. I remember her paying her 1P certainly all my lifetime.Eventually this grand sum went towards her headstone from Mr Tasker memorials but sadly it wasnt enough.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 07/07/2007 09:09
And look at headstones now! As someone said somewhere I read only recently, all bound up with red tape - or in Goole's case, yellow notices on flattened memorials. All in the name of Health and Safety. Last time I went to check the family graves, I came away more disturbed than the ground - sunken, bare earth and protruding broken kerbs - like a battlefield. It causes even more grief when you remember how families saved to provide themselves with a "decent end"!
Remember Mr. Spence collecting insurance. He lived in Hook I believe.
Posted by Pedro at 12/07/2007 20:38
I often wonder what happened to all that old tat we lived with.Todays antiques I remember a marble topped wash stand in my bedroom with barley twist legs on top stood a washbowl and jug with matching flannel dish and the usual guzzunda the bed.Most likely royal doulton.The brass bedsteads along with an oak marble topped dresser in the front room and grandads glass cabinet containing stuffed weasels and rabbits (they used to give me the creeps as a child)Yes I often wonder what happened to them.I do know that they never reached the new council accomodation in 1953.Could Robinsons furnishing have took it in part exchange? I very much doubt it.:)
Posted by Posted On Behalf Of Betty Storr at 15/07/2007 00:16
I remember the Queens Coronation and the street party,Mrs Hoodless and Mrs Ashton who lived at Nos40 and42 R.C St painting the front of the houses red,white.and blue from the eaves to the ground bricks.A good day was enjoyed by all.But the landlords of the said properties was none too pleased the paint did eventually fade but was evident for years.
Mrs Darley who owned the shop at the end of Phoenix St owned the only car Until Mr Eric Gunther put a grand car together with his own hands.This was his pride and joy polishing it at every opportunity.
2 All are guessing who is Pedro? could it be Peter Richardson who lived at No58 R.C St He was mrs Richardsons eldest son His sister Teresa lives in Howden also a brother Michael left Goole years ago but still have happy memories.
3 Mrs Whitely of Phoenix St had the first television an 8ins black and white Bush.She kindly let all the kids watch it after school those who couldnt find a space in her small front room stood at the front room open window.
3 The 2 Streets were self sufficient we had a chimney sweep-A Bakery-a seamstress Mrs Jepson-A bookie Mr Hodgson-- sweetshops at either end of the street Mrs Rice would make toffee apples.The Community spirit was next to none.Nobody had much but shared what little they had.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 15/07/2007 18:23
Pedro, More than likely the old stuff went to the second-hand curios place in Ouse Street - your memory should provide the name - Drury?
And on behalf of Betty Storr, perhaps the guesswork could be right, but when you contribute to these open forums, it's good to have a "tag".
Keep bringing on the community.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 15/07/2007 18:27
Was Eric Gunther the same guy who became the refrigeration expert?
Lived in Weatherill Street, maybe?
Posted by Pedro at 15/07/2007 20:45
Eric Gunther the same guy but started out pre fridge days repairing radios moving on to tvs etc then when we pulled that cold shelf out of the pantry to extend the back kitchen came the fridge.And yes I remember drurys and Mr Smiths book shop.
re-Betty Storr Pedro cant be P richardson sadly I believe he expired and he certainly wasnt the eldest son of this family. Geoff-Arthur- Tommy- Peter-David-Teresa and finally Michael the youngest
PS To all our would be sleuths who is Pedro Shhhhh the clues are there :)
Posted by Pedro at 15/07/2007 20:58
I had a pint in Wetherspoons my old bank manager would turn in his grave.Sitting in the smokers garden enjoying a cigar remember when Ramseys Grocer store was situated here along with Tony Sandfords barber shop.Across the road now the George garden was Evans Tobacconist with Arthur Retfords barber shop and of course G.L Wrights electrician on the corner.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 16/07/2007 17:29
And "Denton House" aka Gleadows, gentlemen's haberdashery, hats and olde-worlde courtesy. And the baby shop, belonging to Mr. G's sister, I think. And the butchery.
Any tales about the billiard hall?
Posted by Pedro at 16/07/2007 20:26
I remember Mr Pike managing the Burnley Billiard hall(now the brsa or arcadia club)Assisted by Mrs Shepherd whos daughter June I believe married his son.sixpence would be charged for a game of snooker three pence for the chalk returnable after the game.Some dozen tables upstairs and down. The Arcadia has three of the original tables in the rear room if these ever came on the market a lot of money would change hands.
Posted by Pedro at 16/07/2007 23:20
I found the following on a Canadian website
THE LATE MR.JOSEPH CAWTHORN
impressive funeral
On friday afternoon the remains of the late Mr.Joseph Cawthorn of Lowther Villa Boothferry Rd were laid to rest in Goole Cemetery,Hook Road.Mr Cawthorn who was widely known and highly respected had taken an active part in public and religious and political life of the town from an early period, and will be missed in many places.The windows of houses in the vicinity where he resided had their blinds drawn in a last tribute of respect,a large number of the public gathered to watch the cortege leave the house.The funeral was well attended by old friends,Freemasons,of which he was a member,licensed victualers,etc Preceding the hearse containing the coffin,which was of plain oak,with massive brass handles and bearing the simple inscription. Joseph Cawthorn died 18th of june 1912 aged 72 years.
Walked the following gentlemen Dr Hugh Clark(Snaith) and Mr H Clark,Messrs,T,D Clegg,PJ Dougherty,A W Drury,Captain C Kirkwood,R Johnstone, John Huntington,JPCC, R.S Heponstall.W Harrison.R Daniels, and J Mason, all representing the Aire and Calder free Masons.
Messrs.W Best(manager of Becketts bank) E P Porter representing the Goole Chamber of Commerce.Representing Licensed Victualers were Messrs H.Spick,W P Dougherty,T Clark, T.H Carabine,C Goodhall,Richard Wilde,J.M Jackson and W Short.Among others present were Councillor Branson Bowles,O E Parish, S Ayre,E.Sherburn M.Waudless and H Pease. SG Bevan,G England.
Chief Mourners in the coaches Mrs Cawthorn (widow) Mr and Mrs Lionel Cawthorn son and daughter inlaw,MR j Bildon Mrs Kelly (niece)
and Captain and Mrs France.
One small wreath of Ivy Leaves was a pathetic interest it read TO DEAR GRANDPA From Marie.This was placed on the coffin and buried with it. The Rev.A.H Read pastor of Christ Church conducted the service at the graveside
Mr Joseph Glew,undertaker,satisfactorily carried out the funeral arrangements.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 19/07/2007 07:24
This could be the start of a novel - but ...
believe the lady who married the billiard hall manager's son still living in Goole. Her brother was first to write to GOTW from his ex pat home in Hawaii. Check the Goole Web archives!
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 19/07/2007 07:33
Joseph C obituary via Canada - think I have previously mentioned his links with Marshfield. On starting his auctioneer/valuer's business, before he took over the Lowther (now there's a new story, to begin with the current state of this listed building - lots of drawings, plans at Waterways in museum room if you are interested) - he stayed briefly with his sister and b/law - at their "residence" - Marshfield House, backing on to what much later became the Phoenix Warehouse.
Think it was Lionel C, his son, who took on the Argyle Street chemist shop too.
Have piles of material gathering dust. Shall have to look it all up.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 19/07/2007 08:30
The filing system did work - here are notes taken from GT on Joseph Cawthorn. I referred to his sister when I think the lady was the widow of a Cawthorn brother - Fabian C. She later re-married George Hewson.
MR. JOSEPH CAWTHORN
PRACTICAL AUCTIONEER & VALUER
will shortly take up his residence in Goole, in the meantime all orders addressed to the care of Mr. George Hewson, Marshfield House, Goole, will receive prompt attention.
A good Family House wanted.
(Advert. Goole Times March 15 1889)
SALE BY
MR. J. CAWTHORN
Aire & Calder Bank, Goole
Goole Ropery Co. Ltd.
(Advert. Goole Times April 5 1889)
J. CAWTHORN - Victoria Street
(20 years experience in West Riding)
(Advert. Goole Times September 30 1889)
J. CAWTHORN found “A good Family House” at Donington Villa, Boothferry Road, Goole.
Census 1891
Joseph Cawthorne (sic) 50 Auctioneer & Valuer b. Knottingley
Annie R Cawthorne 35
Mark A.B. Cawthorne 13
Lionel Cawthorne 9
Arthur Cawthorne 7
and
Emily Lightowler, domestic servant 14.
NB. Lionel C married Feb. 1906 - Kate, daughter of Tom Sherburn)
OBITUARY Goole Times June 21 1912
DEATH OF MR. JOSEPH CAWTHORN, Prominent Goole Citizen
(and a photo)
at Lowther Villa, Boothferry Road
Native of Knottingley
came to Goole as a boy with parents
Father - Captain T. Cawthorn - traded between Goole and London
as a boy - JC resided in London
went to school at St. Olive's GS
returned to Knottingley on a horseboat
and later came to Goole
as a young man
anagent - first cargo of logwood
for some reason or other didn't continue in London
left for Batley - where he became an auctioneer (about 35 years ago)
Later returned - came to reside at Donnington Villa
Soon after - became proprietor of Lowther Hotel for about 10 years
and in conjunction with that business - auctioneer & valuer
Considered a good judge of pictures & antique silver of which he possessed one of finest collections in Goole - including a Gainsborough, a Poussin, Hans Holbein, Dore, a Fielding and a Moore.
About a decade ago, retired from Lowther Hotel and went into private life, going to house in which he died and which he called Lowther Villa and carried on business as auctioneer and valuer up to time he died.
A strict Sabbatarian - so refused to open his hotel on Sundays, notwithstanding he had a 7 day licence.
Active in civic life - a member of Local Board for some years.
1894 - Goole UDC - one of first Councillors for Goole Central Ward for many years
1902 elections - adopted a singular attitude - so, bitterly opposed to Labour party
so allowed his prejudices and refused to attend meetings where a Labour member assisted
Refused to sign declaration of acceptance and paid own election costs - £3.15s.
1904 - Rep. County Council - since late Mr. Richard Hickman
(retired in favour of present member J. Huntington)
Strong opposer Boothferry Bridge of Ouse (a scheme many leading citizens thought a necessary improvement)
1906 - Stood for UDC - badly defeated - bottom of poll (Cllr. Bevan successful)
Also useful service - Board of Guardians might be described as “economist of that body)
He and Mr. T. Bunker of E. Parade were Secretaries of first life-boat institution in port
and Mr. Cawthorn was first secretary of Chamber of Commerce in Goole
In religion, a strong non-conformist and
oldest of last surviving original trustee of Christ Church Congregational
An ardent Liberal in politics
supporter Sir Joseph Compon-Rickett MP
Best public speaker in Goole - often on public platforms at political meetings
Enthusiastic supporter of Volunteer movement
He joined 1871 as a recruit
one of 11 who then joined to take part in first regular competition Castle Hill, Scarborough
Retired with rank of sergeant orderly room clerk in 1895
Member Aire & Calder Lodge Freemasons - Master in 1898
Deceased 72 years of age
married Miss Baildon of Royston who survives him with three sons
2 away - one in India, other on high seas.
Also
Funeral described in Goole Times June 28 1912
Posted by Pedro at 19/07/2007 23:06
Would you know precisely where the houses donington villa and lowther villa were situated on Boothferry Road?
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 20/07/2007 08:41
I believe these were probably two of the large houses that were either bombed or pulled down, somewhere near Parliament Street/Dunhill Road block now garage and hairdressing and security offices.
Or across the road from there, between Timms Mill and Jackson Street.
The Jackson brothers probably built these properties, or at least they each lived there, those builders from Old Goole who made good from building many of the terraced streets of this town.
Suggest you search 1891 and 1901 census at library for Joseph Cawthorn, to see ward/street address where he is listed in relation to neighbouring entries.
It may be possible to locate more accurately both D and L Villas.
Posted by Pedro at 20/07/2007 16:48
Many thanks re J Cawthorn further research shows him to be cousin of my GGrandfather W.B Cawthorn born Knottingley 1850 his offsprings shown on 1940 census residing in Phoenix St.One of the problems I come across researching the family of my mothers side of the family is the registrar adding E to Cawthorn(e) which is not the case in her family and yet even two of her brothers are shown thus.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 21/07/2007 09:27
Making these connections through families is just as satisfying for non-relatives, too. Made a linkage between Oakhill and the Streets yesterday - Luke Craven's family. As you say, the registrar and even the Mormon census researchers, can mix up names and make it difficult to recognise found references.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 22/07/2007 11:24
Have a look at Richard Cooper page, for another Cooper family connection.
Posted by Pedro at 22/07/2007 20:39
I recently met a former resident of RC St,who said they had a photo of the coronation party in the street and I was on it.Afraid not in 1953 I was on my way to west africa at this time.Altho I was present at the 1945 V.E day and V.J day celebration parties.Where on earth did all that lovely food come from? Bearing in mind everything was rationed everyones kitchen table and chairs positioned the full length of the street under buntings-flags strung from the bedroom windows opposite.I do remember they were held on a saturday because all the children were sent to the Tower Theatre saturday matinee out of the way.Partying went on well into the night.
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Thank you!
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 31/01/2008 09:44
Hi there John, enjoy your vacation, also wondering how you found us here at Goole, do you have Goole "genes" at all?
Godlike?
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 01/02/2008 16:21
Sick and tired of ERYC!
On the Shuffleton front, someone is removing by stealth and probably at night the York paving stones from outside what was 2 P Street, the shop. Deliberately taking them up - each time I go by another one has been lifted. And then there is that dreadful mess in Alex St. waste ground. And nearer home, a light standard in back lane reported before Christmas and still burning 24 hours a day. Who do we tell, what good will it do? Is there anyone at home? Judging from all the closures, arson attacks and threatened demolition, ERYC is licensing a free-for-all simply by default. If ERYC does not care, then why should anyone else, seems to be the message taken by everyone from industrial estate developers downwards.
Posted by Shipley at 27/09/2008 23:10 - Send Email
Can any one tell me the name of the shipley family in goole . They are mentioned in the begining of the memories but only the last name shipley Im trying to do my family tree and I believe the shipleys in goole are related please can you help
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 12/10/2008 10:59
A Shipley is shown as resident 1931 and 1940 see Phoenix Street pages for those years, on Social History.
Might be your link. Let us know more about the family if possible.
Posted by Pauline at 11/11/2008 23:53 - Send Email
As a descendent of the Leetham family can anyone tell me the names of the Leetham family also the year they lived there as my father left Goole when he was about 9 and he is now 84,
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 15/11/2008 18:19
Pauline, your dad's memories of living in P. Street as a lad would be great to have. The other Pauline, whose daughter Mandy posted her memories about their neighbours the Leetham family, probably referred to those times your Dad might remember. If you can give any more details for those years, in the thirties or earlier, please do post them.
It might help to find out further background.
Posted by Pauline at 21/11/2008 01:06
It seems it was my greatgrandfather who lived in Goole. my father used to cycle from Boothferry to see his grandad.Will try to find out some more.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 24/11/2008 15:03
It might be helpful if I tell you what I found at Goole library. Just a quick scan of these Goole Times almanack entries produced:
1916 - Leatham, A., 78 Jefferson Street / 1926 - Leetham, A. and F.A. , 72 Jefferson Street /1930 - Leetham, A., and R.E., 72 Jefferson Street, and Leetham F.A., 2 Sutton Street / 1940 - Leetham A., F.A., and R.E. (as before) and Leetham E., 6 Spring Gardens.
Are these your Leethams? Note spelling changed after 1916 entry, and that may have been a simple mistake. Possible also that number in Jefferson Street could have been incorrect. Hope it gives you something to go on.
Posted by Pedro at 06/01/2009 23:19
Shipley
Sarah shipley lived with her mother.Sarahs husband or partner was J Ramsker.sons Ronnie Shipley and Jack JNR Shipley all lived in RC St
Sarahs sister I believe was Mrs Hanna Cross same St
Sarah other Sister Beena (dont know how its spelt or is it short for something else)Married Harry Harrison moved to and died in Barnsley
his brother was Robert W harrison of Phoenix and RCSt
Posted by Old Bill at 13/01/2009 20:08 - Send Email
To Shipley 27/9/08 Could it be Charley Shipley 1891 65 Carlisle St. Wife Hanna Mary,Charlotte Mary,Ernest, Charles&William. Later after death of Hanna Mary 1901moved to 12 Queens ave.Annie Elizabeth (wife) family to include Minnie and Harry (Hook Milkman)
Posted by Tracey Shipley at 15/01/2009 23:46 - Send Email
I have tried to reply to you old bill but your email will not send ,my great grandad robert shipley married a Hannah Mary I wonder if this is related also your name Bunting was any of your relatives friends with a mary Frances Freear who was married to Arthur Jefferson shipley and went by the name Polly Shipley then remarried and her last name changed again to parker. My great grandmothers best friend was called Bunting.
Posted by Ian Austin at 22/01/2009 12:24 - Send Email
Maureen Shipley was married to george austin (manager of ciniema ) in Goole. in the 50s and 60s.
Had 2 sons Ian and David. George died in 1975 in Bridgend
Maureen now in northeast
I am trying to find my family tree George Born 1905 lived in Goole many years. Ran sweet shop next door to Carlton Cinima Worked with Billy King
Posted by Jack Newton at 14/09/2009 22:46
Names of people I remember from Richard Cooper St and Phoenix Street up to 1942.
John England,Alec Smithson,Joan Piper,Jacqueline Oldridge, Sammy Cross, Eric Gunther, Ezra the Greengrocer
Are they still around?
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 16/09/2009 20:18
Some of your old mates might be mentioned in earlier feedback, Jack.
Take a good look above entries, or on other pages.
With luck, you will hear from some of the regulars whose local knowledge is unbeatable.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 19/09/2009 21:06
Looks as if you are going to have to tell us more about your 1942 memories of Goole, Jack.
Folks still around, some of them, but strangely reluctant to stand up for their old habitat, it seems.
Some are supportive of life as it used to be lived, but there is a ghost in the machinery, as the streets still stand.
Wandering around the back lanes of the area is depressing, and the lives that were once lived around there seem to have disappeared into the ether.
If you can populate the place, good luck!
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 20/09/2009 18:14
A happy meeting today, aboard the 50 year old tug Wheldale, with one of the volunteer crew. Allan Risebury gave me his own history of living in Goole.
His Granny Audus, Frances (formerly Philpott (spelling may not be quite right), and Grandad Thomas Audus lived at 47 Phoenix Street "all her life".
Allan grew up at 28 Richard Cooper Street 1943-63, then moved to 47 Phoenix Street 1963-65.
He went to the Nursery and then Alexandra Street school, before starting at Kingsway the first year it opened.
Edited: Note that T. Audus was living at 54 Phoenix Street in 1940, according to Goole Times Directory. This discrepancy may be due to hurried note-taking while Wheldale crew were at work.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 28/09/2009 11:51
Is there anybody who can put faces and names to last residents in RC & P Streets?
Any biography as to who they were, how long they had lived there, where they went, would be great to have on the record.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 28/09/2009 11:59
Ref. above to Audus/Risebury family histories: Casual searching for own family history links, I came across a site relating to Philpotts, and think that Allan's granny, formerly a Philpott, may have had ancestors who came to Goole from Herne Bay, Kent, on Thames estuary/coastline. No doubt by water.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 02/10/2009 08:14
Well, now it can be said. There are still some 14 homes in RC Street belonging to one of the housing associations that have not yet been acquired by ERYC. -
"40, 42, 44, 46, 48, 50, 51, 52, 54, 56, 58, 62, 64, 66 and 68 Richard Cooper Street" -
From the numbers given in an online report to ERYC Cabinet on 3 February 2009, it seems to be those formerly belonging to English Churches, and research online suggests that association has now merged with Riverside Housing Association, based in Liverpool.
For whatever reasons, residents have not been housed these past three years.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 04/10/2009 18:41
Goodness knows why, but there's always some outsider taking interest in the streets - a bloke this afternoon with camera and clipboard, first he was photographing through the ugly palings at the warehouse entrance off Hook Road, both the Willow in its prime, in back yard of what is to be the "stores" in adjacent street (although local gossip has it as a takeaway), and then walked round to focus on the housing association properties, while I rode around the block and down the back alleys, to find he had gone.
Wish someone else would start taking an interest. Then Goole might get somewhere! All you read about the town, in Independent for example, is how we are deprived - vv the Kingsway School garden site and its forthcoming Harvest Festival. Nothing bad to add to the Head's view and his energetic example of how to pull up the place by its roots, get it going again. Say that again, and again, if stand up for the place and shout is the judge. But the school wasn't deprived in the seventies, and recent Ofsted examples of schools in poverty stricken areas featured in national newspapers as of now shows that poor in itself is no reason for deadly dumb outcomes.
Otherwise, may as well bury the place and die.
Posted by Jack Newton at 05/10/2009 20:45
I remember, the first world war tank in Riverside Park (went for scrap in WW2)The air raid shelters in Richard Cooper st, my sister Betty fell into the Ouse from the promenade and was saved I believe by Alec Smithson.
The soldiers billeted in Sissiller? Square back of Marshfield Avenue, shooting at a barrage balloon that had broke free,my mother thought it was German paratroopers invading. Often had a laugh about that.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 08/10/2009 07:55
Interested in your comment about soldiers' billets - could it have been Cecil Street - the triangular area behind Salisbury/Marshfield Road and Cecil Street - that you remember Jack?
Do you know any more - this is first time I have heard the story, but there was a site with stables there until very recent years.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 13/10/2009 20:00
ERYC says it is working with two Housing Associations. Wonder why they had/have not gifted their properties to the Council then? Land Registry shows no sales for latter years!
All the fallout of dysfunctional Goole seems to be happening down Marshfield nowadays.
Still, we are getting the highway improved. All the better to allow further burglaries in broad daylight; more mysterious doings at the landlord lets,? perhaps, or at the very least, lots of additional vehicles parking in the street.
The graffiti on rear boundary walls, some of them newly-improved at great expense courtesy of EU funding, goes on and rubbish is left in bins and shopping trolleys for ERYC's back-up trucks to collect.
So much for Goole's Regeneration!
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 14/10/2009 19:12
Bang on cue! ERYC sends all residents in Goole postcode area DN14 details of its proposed Additional licensing scheme. For Consultation on Additional Licensing for Smaller Houses in Multiple Occupation. We are referred to online copy of survey = see www.eastriding.gov.uk/consult.
I have asked to be notified when it goes live, because it does not seem to be online right now.
With these surveys I find myself asking questions not posed by ERYC.
Perhaps there are folks out there? If so, would appreciate some feedback on the questions being asked from the whole of Goole DN14 it seems.
We shall soon be acting as guards for ERYC against the very residents housed in our streets. The ones who transgress and cause
all the aggro will be subject to landlords, not to their neighbourhood.
I am too aggravated to be rational about the likely, possible, effects of any of this. It smacks of big brother, and will cost us, rather than the transgressors, it seems to me.
I can't believe that such a survey will do anything more than reach one or two people who will then form the basis of ERYC's actions in future. In other words this will be another attempt at getting a Council-led policy in force.
After all, it is the lack of responsibility on the part of individuals that lies behind all this bureaucracy and Taxpayers will increase their bills for what?
The whole town seems to be downgraded to rock-bottom lives in ERYCville. Is this what low-wage, working-class, Labour-led government hand in hand with Tory Councillors at Beverley, has brought Goole's future?
Streets filled with multiple occupancies, library shelved with pc leaflets and ancient citizens who have lived here "Less than 1 year, 1 to 2 years, 3 to 5 years or More than 5 years" apparently the majority.
For goodness sake, when was Goole founded - 1826 or so. Some of us are past our Fifth Birthdays too.
Get Real.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 19/10/2009 08:27
And coinciding with deposit of planning application for 59 new houses, 19 of them social housing. And many of em two-beds. Will they also come under the remit of ERYC proposed new licensing scheme if they fill with non-family households? Apparently not. Oh, and 125 parking places, only a few for non-residents to stop the locals taking over any spare space.
Replacing the old grid of Goole streets, comes this proposed safe by design estate. Gone will be the "rat run" of RC Street (and with it, of course, any connection to the old field boundaries that formed the site).
Instead it looks as if Marshfield will be the "direct route from Carlisle Street to Hook Road" - being upgraded as I write, to take the ever-increasing traffic I guess.
Posted by Shuffleton S at 21/10/2009 20:20
Oh, if only the road was like this always. When it was Swineherd Lane, a muddy field track. Took a fight in the courts to get the landowner to make it up originally, 1880s from memory. One of the Hook feudal landlords. Sorry, lords of the manor.
That's a story in its own right. For another page.
Posted by Jack Newton at 12/12/2009 16:37
Cecil St Square.
The army The Sussex Regiment had a cookhouse on Cecil Square in the war.
I remember the Irish Fusiliers with orange kilts marching down Hook Road.
Posted by Frank Philpott at 18/01/2010 14:11
The best recolection in Marshfield road was riding Albert Barley`s new bike.Do you know the Barleys? I know Cecily square as we used to call it for the bonfires. Never missed it.We used to have fights over BONIRES as we called it then No I haven`t spelled it wrong. The stuff to put on the fire.
Posted by Thomas Ashton at 18/04/2010 18:49
I lived at no. 42 Richard Cooper Street from 1949 to 1957. My mother and father were Arthur and Edna Ashton. I was watching a program on TV last year on the demolition of Ricahrd Cooper Street and Pheonix Street it showed a photo of the 1953 Queens Jubilee Party, I would love a copy if anyone has that photo. Or were I may obtain one.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 19/04/2010 06:36
Good to hear from another former resident, Thomas. I don't know whose photograph featured in the programme you saw. My guess is that it was perhaps supplied by one of two people who are not online.
I think you might do another enquiry via the weekly paper, the Goole Courier, either by a letter to the paper via its website or post to Courier at Pasture Road Goole. Please let us have any further memories you have of these streets.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 20/04/2010 13:35
Thanks due to Pedro for Richard Cooper Street Party photo.
Who do you recognise?
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 23/05/2010 18:50
Well, you have to agree with ERYC. Goole is downmarket. Shuffleton is deprived. If you live in a terraced house in Notting Hill, sorry North Kensington, with a minimalist kitchen costing thousands, and become our new PM, then you can rent your home out for thousands a week. Provided of course that No. 10 gets a makeover before he moves in.
In Goole we get the dregs. ERYC has designs on the town, though.
Waterfront properties of 3 storeys, a Renaissance, serving the upmarket grey industrial estate of Guardian Glass, Tesco Distribution, some unheard of company taking a base there at a great rental, and so it goes. Housing projects for the fields to the north, i.e. between the ind. estate and the motorway, for the semis and detached properties aspiring workforce of 21st century requires.
Who said it was all a matter of LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION?
Goole is in DN14, North Ken is desirable district NW1.
Can you imagine the urban professionals living in Goole? No, nor can I unless the port dockland dies further deaths.
Get ready for the Shuffleton deprivation index being aired this coming week at Boothferry Borough's old offices in Church Street, daily from Tues. the latest show in town. In attendance, all the professionals from Beverley via the UK Schools of Urban Studies and Public Health and Environmental Design. Some of our own offspring were similarly qualified. Goole's old Grammar School and its Modern School too taught them. A little learning of the right kind carried them a long way away, before this deprivation hit us. Ironic, isn't it, that this year GGS celebrates its Centenary. It was not Goole people who brought us down. It is the very same urban professionals who think they can build the place anew. Utopian comes to mind. The former Borough Councils did a good job, the unitary authority we have now seeks to preserve Goole, minus its invasion of Japanese Knotweed!
Going to seed, aparently, or it was, in Shuffleton's shut off streets. So the Shuffleton Streets that were the housing association dens of iniquity are to pay the price. The Junction 36 public inquiry gave the game away. ERYC planning man Ashcroft told the Inspector that Goole was to become the workhorse of East Yorkshire. Or words to that effect. "Freight Centre of East Yorkshire", may be more the phraseology. We shall have PWH for the culturally upmarket-minded who will drag the neighbourhood into the future. As if we wanted what we have got.
Glad you are on the last lap? So am I.
Posted by Alan Pike at 17/06/2010 13:10 - Send Email
Hi Jack Newton. I've just read what you wrote about Alec Smithson saving your sister Betty from drowning. Alec was merchant seaman and my cousin who lived at 52 Richard Cooper Street. He moved from Goole to live in London in the late 1950s and he ended up living in Harlow Essex where he died a few years ago.
Posted by Pedro at 30/06/2010 21:45
Sam Boy Smithson is on the above picture for those interested hes at
the rear left (grinning)
Posted by Claire Monaghan (nee Ashton) at 20/08/2010 23:20
Hi, My Nana and grandad were Edna (Van Der Tak) and Arthur ASHTON. Their son Thomas Ashton is my father he often talks about Richard Cooper St, his best man at his wedding was David Owen. I'm wondering if they may be on this coronation photo? I will have to show it to my Dad, I think he has another coronation photo you may like to put up on this site.
It's lovely reading about people I know!
Kind Regards
Claire
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 26/08/2010 13:29
Hi Claire,
Believe your Dad has recently added some history on this site.
Check with him about Coronation Party.
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