23) Residents in Phoenix Street - 1940
RESIDENTS, PHOENIX STREET - 1940
listed in Goole Times Illustrated Almanack
2 - DARLEY - CORNER SHOP
now "tinned up" like the rest of the streets, despite being end property and worthy corner-piece
4 - ? COOLEDGE
6 - LONGMAN, E.R.
8 - JACKSON, G.W.
10 - BATEMAN, F. Eva
10 - VAUX, Alice
12 - JOHNSON, W.
14 - KNOTT, H.J. - Believed to have been a compositor with Goole Times. See further background below, Pedro,May 2008
16 - COATSWORTH, J.
18 - HAYTON, H.
20 - FERRER, W.
22 - WELLARD, H.G.
24 - REVELL, P.
24 - SUTHERBY, J.W.
26 - HEBDON, I.
28 - RICE, W. & W.L.
30 - CAWTHORNE, W.B. & W.C.
34 - NIELSON, A.
34 - THOMPSON, R.
36 - HEBDON, W.E.
38 - HODGSON, W.
40 - UTTLEY, C.
42 - ? APPLEYARD
44 - STOREY, A. & H.
46 - ADDY, Gertrude; H; & R.
46 - CANNING, R.W.
46 - GORDON, G.
48 - OLDRIDGE, C.
50 - NICHOLSON, C.
52 - ADAMS, A. Eliza
52 - ALDEN G.H.
54 - AUDAS, T. See Contemporary Memories of Allan Risebury 20/09/09
56 - CAMPBELL, F. Alice; O; & W.L.
3 - AYRE, A. & Annie E.
5 - CUTTER, F. & F.O.
7 - PERRETT, Florence & W.J.
9 - SALTER, Agnes
11 - BROWN, D.
13 - HARRISON, O.F.
15 - SEATON, G.S.
17 - HODGSON, H.
19 - DEPLEDGE, F.
21 - PRATT, H. & M.
23 - COATSWORTH, E.
23 - JOHNSON, J.
25 - SEATON, C.R.
27 - WEIR, A.
29 - WALTHAM, G.W.E.
31 - BRUCE, G.F.
33 - CUTSFORTH, B.
35 - WHITELEY, S.
37 - CROSS, T.L. (post-1937) and HANCOX, B. & H.
39 - BLACKWELL, E; H; & W.
41 - JACKSON, H.
43 - GUNTHER, Alice E., & H.
45 - ASKEW
47 - CARROLL, J.
49 - HARRISON, W.R.
51 - MORTON
53 - BECKETT, J.J.
55 - SHIPLEY, J.
NOTE: additional information below supplied by Pedro 08/08/09 re VANSON.
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Visitor Comments
Posted by John Storey at 05/05/2007 12:13
"I was born in the front room at 56 P.St & later moved to 44 P.St with my mother Olwen (who pushed the co-op milk handcart for many years & my Dad Harry a docker. I lived in P.St from 1947 until 1962.
In 1940 My Grandfather + 2 sons lived at 44 P.St. Arthur + sons Harry & George STOREY.
Grandfather worked as stoker at the Alum works for years, Harry was a docker & George a Regular in the Army- well before WW11. George was killed in action in Northern France in 1944. Harry married my mother Olwen CAMPBELL in 1945, Olwen lived at 56 P.St before she married.
Bill CAMPBELL was my Uncle & worked for both EYMS & Lincolnshire buses. He lived at 56 Phoenix st with his sister Olwen & his mother. Later running the Goole & District Driving school."
Posted by Pedro at 25/08/2007 22:39
I remember Olwen Cambell delivering the milk.After the war Reg Darragh on his demob from the Royal Navy collected the milk from the dairy(co-op)in Centenary Rd (now a carpet wharehouse) he brought it to the rear of the Co-op shop on the corner of Marshfield Rd.My Aunt Florence (Hetty) Bucknell of No30 RC St also delivered it around the area by handcart.I used to help her push the cart todays health and safety laws would require a pony to pull these carts.Some years later Reg Darragh took over as landlord of the Burlington pub.
Posted by Alan Pike at 19/12/2007 02:03
My aunt Mona and uncle Harry lived in Pheonix St. Uncle Harry was the local bookmaker, they had three children Harry, Ann and Evyonne, I think thats how its spelt. I dont know when they arrived in Pheonix St. but they were there during WW2 and after.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 02/01/2008 07:07
What was your relatives' surname, Alan?
Posted by Alan Pike at 02/01/2008 09:59
My uncle who lived at No 17 Pheonix St. was called Harry Hodgson.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 02/01/2008 15:21
Been checking out 1907 Phoenix Street residents today, will post asap.
Am looking for info on family called Wellard, resident 1940 but living in Goole from 1911.
Posted by Pedro at 02/01/2008 18:39
Hodgson Harry (bogey) was the street bookmaker his wife Mona collected the bets from all the houses in the area.This at the time was very dodgy as gambling was illegal.
Wellards son Roger and daughter Laura I seem to think they came to Phoenix St from Burlington Crescent or maybe vice versa.They lived on the corner of BC and Alexandra St shop come house |Mrs Ayre on the opposite corner had the sweetshop.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 03/01/2008 09:28
Pedro, great memory. Thank you for this and anything else you can furnish on this family please.
Would the daughter have ended up in USA? I have a Goole cemetery memorial showing 1933 Laureen MAY 1995 daughter, mother and nana.
Records for US show this name too but I have yet to check birth date etc.
The Wellard parents are also interred at GOole Cemetery with dates for their deaths. Henry George Wellard's father was the incomer to Goole and has a most interesting past history. My guess is he came with his ship and met and married and the rest you know!
Am doing a bio of one house at a time. If you can furnish it, that would be terrific. Are you currently in the locality by the way? If so, perhaps you would Email me for further info on this request.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 03/01/2008 09:51
Further background if available would be on descendents of:
1. Family called Smith living in P Street 1891 but away on census night, suggesting they were seafaring.
2. Also Fozzard. I have a fair amount on this couple, again coastal sailing vessels. No family so far as I can tell.
3. Anything to add to Thomas Chester who d. 1914 I think. Was he the same TC who went to sea in Rosa and married to Alice?
4. And Mr. Perrett, the ?joiner, whose living descendent is elderly but local.
Both the latter men were big in the band but other colour and details welcomed.
Posted by Pedro at 03/01/2008 21:34
Re-Wellards Roger is still residing in the Goole area saw him in Goole cemetry before xmas.Laura passed away some time ago in Goole she was married to Danny May ex seaman alas also passed about 4 years ago.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 04/01/2008 08:28
I do not know what Goole would do without your inside knowledge, Pedro.
Thank you for this. I found out yesterday from better "free but open" access to Ancestry at the library, that Laureen died in 1995 at Hull.
Possibly a hospital there. The name Laureen seems to have been a modern changeover from her given name Laura, as it appears on the cemetery memorial.
Will try and find Roger in tel. directory.
Can you make contact with him any way?
I should like to know more about his grandparents who lived in P. Street, and whether his parents ever lived there. The two men had the same initials, both being Henry George. I have updated residents at even nos. P. Street for 1907 and 1911. (on page 14A)
Any gaps can be filled as local knowledge allows.
Posted by Pedro at 04/01/2008 15:04
thinking back yes it was Laureen Wellard known as Laura dont know when I would run into Roger again,Me thinks he worked for the Customs before retiring. But was told tday hes a regular in Witherspoons pub so deff living locally.I remember them as kids in p st in the 40s.
Myself going on my travels february back in sunny goole end march:)
Posted by Pedro at 02/05/2008 22:08
Note No14 HJ Knott this was Herbert John lost on the SS Sparta he was the Donkeyman.His son Thomas went to Alex school also lost sea age 16.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 03/05/2008 20:46
Thanks, Pedro, knew you could be relied upon to clarify our past residents, who populated this street with honourable mentions.
Quite contrary to this very day. I and another were "told to scram", you might say, by two male children, no more than 5 or 6, on first size two-wheeled bikes. Took their cues from adults screaming at us, simply because we were viewing the barricades erected on behalf of ERYC, around three houses either side, at the warehouse end.
What was going on that was so much a problem? Your guess is as good as ours.
Meanwhile, the reputation of the town is mired in drugs and stolen property dealing, according to news reports, and property prices are dropping, yet ERYC keeps up its dirty tricks from all accounts.
When the divide between Renaissance Goole and ERYC is resolved, we might see daylight.
Posted by Pedro at 04/05/2008 00:19
Yes something stinks in the council kitchen.Other terraced propertys in the area getting facelifts.While these two historic Sts are allowed to fall in rack and ruin absolutely disgraceful.Maybe they think we need another supermarket and close more local businesses.
Getting back to addresses above Mortons lived at No51 and Askews at 45
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 05/05/2008 19:27
Pedro, I know you will believe me when I say that the back lane to Alex/Ed. Streets was clear after binmen last week, but on Sunday a.m. early, 2 black bags already in place, the one usually occupied, where I once saw 2 Ed. street residents pushing out a mattress.
What would you say to a consortium, a "trust" with "trustees" taking on the "Shuffleton Village"? Such moves afoot, but it really does need local input, not just property owners, not just "business", it needs some stout men of Goole, and women come to that, but ... I think it should be allied to the charitable housing work done in Goole originally, after Ed. Street was built, when Broadway developed, land gifted by a local philanthropist, work carried on eventually by Hook & Goole Charity. Their land in Hook provides educational bursaries (I declare a past family interest), but it would allow the housing and more importantly the site, the landholding, to gain value while remaining in hands of Goole people instead of the Housing Association wallahs that ERYC want to instal. ???
Posted by Pedro at 12/05/2008 21:36
Methinks we have now turned full circle.I watched a program on tele tonite on rising food and energy prices.Is it time we now looked at turning that back garden into a veg patch.(or getting an allotment).Also saving gas and elec by turning off that boiler(in summer) and just put the kettle on for a wash like the days of yesteryear.
With apologies to Minnie Cooks day trips to Brid this is my last posting for the next six weeks Barbados beckons Keep up the good work TTFN.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 17/05/2008 11:57
Pedro, you are on the right lines.
That back yard on Kingsway would make a good compost heap, if not actual garden. Goole TC were supposed to be setting up a composting facility in West Park, but like all things ERYC determines, it will be a long while coming, I am told.
Meanwhile a distribution point in Wesley Sq. recently, according to pics in free sheet, but how does that help non-car users to get it home?
Don't suppose there will be much happening on GAG if you are away, so enjoy the trip.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 14/01/2009 12:48
A well-wisher has written:
Mum was born on the 2nd of March 1920 at 54 Phoenix Street.
I myself have never lived in Goole,but have spent many holidays there from a very young age ,visiting my Grandparents ,Aunts,Uncles Cousins etc.
I had an Uncle who married Betty Coatsworth in 1956,who for a short while after their marriage lived with her Mother at number 16.Phoenix Street.
Posted by Pedro at 08/08/2009 21:28
I saw someone looking for a family named Vanson on the Goole Website.I remember Vansons in Phoenix St during the 1940s altho no mention in the above addresses they lived next door to Oldridge family I guess the could have been sharing a property.In the 1960s I was working in York at the sugar factory when I was approach by a chap who recognised me from these early years he too was a Vanson
Posted by Kenwood Exgoole at 10/08/2009 10:32
Like many people coming acroos this web site it is interesting to see that the Street where I grew up has so much history.
I left the street around a quarter of a centuyry ago, at a time when the community feel of the street had started to change. Prior to this date the street was with lots of families who had children of similar ages.
Over the years I have returned, to visit my parents who did live in the street until a couple of yeards ago, and was disappointed with the general decline of the street.
The houses had started to look shabby, populated by transient people with the hoses owned by proiperty investors who had no interest in maintaining the fabric of the community.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 23/08/2009 09:02
Good to have your "inside" comments, Ken. The history and heritage of these streets appear to have no value in the eyes of ERYC, despite Tom Dyckhoff, the architecture guy who writes for the Times, pointing out how authority tramps all over the past of little people.
Hope you will add some of your own memories of lives in Richard Cooper Town!
Quote:
One thing’s for certain though. We now know that heritage isn’t so much about what we preserve, but why we preserve it. It isn’t just about architecture. It’s about the people who live in it.
SEE LINK to full Times article - front page - WHO ARE WE?
Saving Britain’s Past starts on Aug 24 on BBC Two at 7.30pm
Posted by Pedro at 26/10/2009 22:37
Just wondered how many houses the council hope to build on the sites of RC and Phoenix St.I fell sure it wont be in excess of 100 that are standing derelict at this moment.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 27/10/2009 07:50
As always you are spot on, Pedro. There will be a total of 59, 40 for private purchasers, 19 for social housing. Needless to say the latter appear to be in blocks around the current boundary with the old lane behind Argyle Street, and the southern side of what is now RC Street.
You can see for yourself on the plan and associated documents online using the following web address:
http://www.eastriding.gov.uk/publicaccess and enter the application number as 09/04053/STPLF.
For the site plan and associated documents showing the application in great detail, house plans and layouts, size of homes, etc. Ask again, if you get stuck. Alternatively you can see the documents at Customer Services Council Offices Church Street Goole, or at Goole Town Council offices.
All public consultatees may submit objections of a planning nature - in writing, or send them via email, at latest by 13th November. Further details available if you need them!
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 05/12/2009 07:50
The voice of the people! Just received advice that the planning application will be considered at Beverley on 10 December. The report can be viewed on Council website at www.eastriding.gov.uk or Customer Service Centres. If you want to speak (by right) you should note that only one person can do so in support and one only, against. The first to register in each category will be the ones allowed to speak. During the meeting each speaker will be allowed a maximum of five minutes in which to address the Committee (less for referrals or deferrals). Such speakers are not permitted to circulate additional info. at the meeting including photographs, plans or petitions. So I am left wondering whether the so-called right is any right at all in actual terms of travelling to Beverley, with time only to say your piece! Needless to say, no response submitted by Goole Town Council in time for the report.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 05/12/2009 08:35
Having read the report - the expected - it transpires that the mature willow tree in the back garden of Marshfield Road, overhanging the site and considered to be a major feature for the alignment of the re-development plan, along with the Mill, has "unfortunately" suffered structural damage and is to be replaced with a new specimen. Some hundred years plus will be needed, naturally, to regain the benefit of the old one. And then one wonders why the local residents feel as they do about the almighty overweening authorities and applicants. Only the Conservation Officer has spoken up about the re-alignment of the linear layout of this terraced town and these streets in particular. He has no comment about the willow tree, though. The development is considered to be a "step change" that will bring Goole's ailing ancient neighbourhood out of the feudal fieldscape and into the 21st century, my words. Oh, and the rear Argyle Street lane is outside the boundaries of this shangri la, so service vehicles etc. and traffic in the well-calmed streets where we all live is quite safe for us to cross the junctions that surround this protected patch.
There is little point in staying here.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 06/12/2009 21:06
Seems nobody read these comments, but ... searching Google reveals that Goole Town Council had notice to fell the tree at 64 Marshfield Road in August 2009. Our dearly beloved Councillors had no objection whatsoever to the proposed action, simply because they were told it fufilled the regulations or whatever. And we residents were of course on our hols, and certainly did not get any warning about this.
Who wants our votes? The Lib Dem candidate has already left the streets, twice. The Independent thinks that graffiti defacers care whether or not their parents pay more in Council Tax. Why should we bother.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 07/12/2009 21:12
It seems that the only excitement Goole can offer is flashing lights across the way!
ps. Does anyone out there know anything about Captain (Charles) Denby? We have an enquiry. He mastered one of the Bennett Boats I think. China?
Posted by Lisa Holland (nee Morton) at 05/06/2010 19:11
does anyone have any information about the mortons that lived on phoenix st? my grandad was charles morton born in goole in 1914, his sisters were mary but she was known as polly and alice, he also had brothers, i no 1 is amos and i think his parents were harry and annie. I've been told that Annie died in 1923 of tb but i cannot find their death records, any info would be great. thanks lisa
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 07/06/2010 17:25
Lisa - A Morton at 51 Phoenix Street in 1940, but checking against earlier P. Street pages, the family does not appear to have lived there many years previously. Not there in 1931 for example.
Tracing deaths, you might like to buy a CD of all burials at Goole from the Boothferry History Group. I can provide a link for contact if you do. Cost is £7, plus postage.
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