Goole Action Group

Social history of Phoenix Street and Richard Cooper Street

Knowing why these streets were built and who lived in the houses, brings a place to life.

It might be little known, but the land now built over was once a "marshy field" in the parish of Hook. Yes, Hook was more important than Goole until the port opened in 1826.

The town that grew up around Goole docks was the work of the Aire & Calder Navigation Trustees.  But the workforce that flocked from agricultural labour to dockland far exceeded the cellar-houses available in Ouse Street, and George Street. Between the grand river frontage of East Parade and the businesses in Aire Street, at levels lower than high water on the Yorkshire Ouse, we know these were home to many of the families who eventually moved into the new houses built by Richard Cooper in the 1880s.  Just a brief foray into the 1901 census (now accessible online) shows family surnames that still populate Goole, and some of them still live in the same streets as their forefathers.

PERSONAL HISTORY - if you have just left these streets 2006/7 - please send your memories

Is this the legendary Harry Cressey? - click to enlargeGOOLE ACTION GROUP also recognises the social mix that has flowed out of Goole, downriver, across oceans in some cases. Many families hold their family trees in high regard. If you are one of them, or if you would like to know your family history, this page is for you.

In helping GOOLE ACTION GROUP to show how the character of the place, the people connected with these streets, and their upbringing, has contributed to the wealth of Goole in the past, and still carries a proud heritage in the hearts and minds of many generations since and to come, then you will be helping to SAVE THESE STREETS.

GOOLE ACTION GROUP welcomes your willingness to share your memories, and would like your permission to publish those reminiscences on this website. In doing so you would be registering the worth of small places, that government seems to believe are nothing more than bricks and slates. You would be re-building this community from where you hail.

By inhabiting, again, those rooms that were once filled with big families, when mod cons were unknown, and house-keeping was hard work, men came home hungry from dirty jobs, before bathrooms and running water were taken for granted, and holidays were a one day trip to the seaside, you will be bringing modern expectations of putting off family life until all desires have been met, up against the reality of human growth that bred the tenacity and willpower that seems to be lacking in the world of today.

From one example on the message board provided for comments, to the submission of lengthy stories, GOOLE ACTION GROUP hopes to establish an archive or to publish the life of this community. We believe it will support the need for regeneration to respect those values that count, and that it will help to save this neighbourhood for generations to come.

Memories

(with acknowledgment to just one respondent to Goole on the Web, and to its Webmaster, for permission to reproduce the following comment)
A youthful Paul Rice and Richard Cooper Street neighbours - click to enlargeJean Seaton with DOBET - named for Dorothy and Betty, daughters of owner, Dick Cawthorn (A.E.) - click to enlargeFROMENT - a health food - Mill employees were often young women of Richard Cooper Street - click to enlarge

National Fairground Archive

Thames Watermen

National Archives - 1901 Census of England and Wales online

Riversea - A daily journal of shipping photography

Goole-on-the-Web - An unofficial guide to Goole with historical information

Shuffleton Arts Project - An arts project specifically for the Shuffleton area of Goole


Visitor Comments

Posted by Rachel Walker (on Behalf Of Paul Rice) at 07/04/2006 16:49

The following information was provided by Paul Rice - a long standing resident of Phoenix Street, regarding Sam Whiteley: "25 year-old Samuel Whiteley was lost with the sinking of the cargo ship Northmoor on May 17 1943. Third Engineer Whiteley was the eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. S. Whiteley of Goole. He was on watch when the Northmoor was torpedoed by a U-Boat off South Africa. Some of the crew were rescued but Sam Whiteley was not one of them. He had survived a similar incident when serving on a ship torpedoed of Narvik in 1940. He also served on S.S. Gymeric, M.V. Birchbank, M.V. Cedarbank, M.V. Westmoor and M.V. Northmoor. Sam Whiteley was a merchant mariner and was born at 35 Phoenix Street."

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 14/04/2006 09:12

Good to see the pics, and other bits and pieces, bringing the action to life. Well placed.

Posted by Pedro at 14/04/2006 14:46

good see the old pics regonise paul rice(who is the baby?) note Val cooper-Jean Seaton and Denis Harrison alas Denise died about 1953 lived at No31 his mother saved John Mcgrory with the help of a dutch seaman from drowning in the river JM would be then about 9 10 yrs old

Posted by Jack at 14/04/2006 21:28

baby could be Linda Paul's youngest sis

Posted by Pedro at 15/04/2006 22:31

remember the girls working at Herons mill making something called Froment. It was some sort of wheat extract advertised as froment for nerves. We used to climb the drain pipe at the rear of RC St up to the window the girls were sat at conveyor belts picking out weavils. They would pass a bag of this stuff out of the window. Was like eating sawdust.

Posted by Pedro at 15/04/2006 22:42

Note the pic behind Jean Seaton the boat looks very much like the DOBET. Ex lifeboat Dick Cawthorn A.E (real name Albert Ernest) of 5 Fleemans blds built the cabin on it on the allotments off Ainsty St (now Kingsway school) named DOBET after his daughters Dorothy and Betty. We helped launch it from a bogie taking it up the riverbank slope by the bandstand in riverside gdns.

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 17/04/2006 17:40

I think you could give us a history of the boating fraternity, Pedro. John Guest who recently left Phoenix Street had to move his boating to the canalside, when the floating sailors were moved from the riverbank some years ago now. Pity, cos their presence always added that characteristic touch - I used to think of those guys as spending time away from home in waterside sheds. You now tell us some of the cabins were actually built from allotment space. As a kid I used to spend time at Hook, behind the allotments/gardens of a row of houses where Randy Lightowler lived, behind the old chapel or thereabouts. That was where my mudlarks began, cos my dad was a spare time "sailor". Good to get these real life snapshots coming from you as if they were happening only yesterday. Your memory is phenomenal! Can't believe we are so lucky as to have a Streets Storyteller.

Posted by Pedro at 17/04/2006 19:29

Yea memories of days gone what a pity more old f*r** like myself dont take the trouble to cyber surf. Lots of stories lost forever. Mr Heron Shuffleton Mill his chauffer was Joe Hitchin later took the tenancy of the Royal Pub in Aire Street. He also had a maid /cleaner called Collins. She was in his employ from leaving school at 14 until the closure of the mill. As a child the river bank from Victoria pier to the Vicarage showed some 50 plus small vessels used for pleasure as well as fishing. Anyway Action Group keep up the good work I will be back in Goole around June with my donation.

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 18/04/2006 07:43

You might be interested to see this site, YellowHouse referred me to The Emperor article listed on it. http://www.catalystmedia.org.uk

Posted by Jeff at 18/04/2006 20:15

I visited website catalystmedia re-yellow house.Very interesting but I failed to see anything relating to Goole

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 18/04/2006 20:52

No, Goole folks worked with YH last year, our writings, photos etc., hopefully will be displayed at Goole's Waterways Museum on 21 May. Watch out for further details on Goole Action News page. If you are local, do visit. YH works mainly with young people and as you will have seen, through film, drama, writing and dance etc., tackle social problems and life in general. Goole needs more of that, but such events as the six weeks we had with YH depend on Goole Town Council funding them! Unlike most other towns of similar size, Goole lacks opportunities as a community to develop creatively.

Posted by Pedro at 21/04/2006 22:15

I remember Mrs Gill residing in RC Street I think No 40 her grandchildren the Newtons lived in Grimsby their father moved from Goole working at Goole shipyard to Humber graving dock at Immingham.But the kids came every summer to spend holidays with grandma Gill.My special friend was Brian Newton the 2nd eldest boy he his elder bro and about three sisters(god only knows how Mrs Gill accomodated them all)One day I was on the river bank and observed a small rowing boat tying up at Victoria pier the Newton boys had rowed it from grimsby arriving with the tide up to Grandmas door.And leaving a couple of days later on the ebb tide.They arrived home safely as they returned later with mum and dad for the usual summer break but this time by train.

Posted by Pedro at 21/04/2006 22:38

Thinking back we had lots of visitors in the area.Including the war evacuees Mrs Cooper at No33 RC had two small kids from London a brother and sister(often wonder if they ever made contact in later years)They always refered to her as Grandma Lizzie.Mrs Sarah Shipley of No64(I think) had the Redmans relations from either Pateley or Hebden Bridge.Axholme Street also had its visitors who invariably mixed with playmates in RC.As there was more children in this street.

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 22/04/2006 13:35

Were the Newtons connected in any way with the sweet shop run by a Mrs. N in Carlisle Street? There used to be more than one sweet shop, that towards the Burlington Cres. end of the Tower, Clarrie Sherburn had it, then she removed I think to the shop next to Fawberts (now part of GW Townend Accountants), and there was one in between, opposite the former library - now part of the Gym place. Wonder too whether any of these evacuees are still in touch with their Goole family hosts - would be great to have their memories of the place.

Posted by Geoff Depledge at 22/04/2006 17:18 - Send Email

Is this site to be restricted to messages about Phoenix & RC streets or do you want recollections of Goole in general. Is it appropriate to duplicate messages on here with those on Goole on the web

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 23/04/2006 08:45

Don't want to use this site for Goole on the Web material, Geoff, nor to duplicate it, but I am keen to encourage messages re other terraced streets of Goole, especially those marked "Fragile" in ERYC terminology. For time being, though, our area might be most useful if it relates to "Shuffleton" - bounded by river, North Street, Burlington Crescent and Marshfield/Cecil Street roughly (although ERYC includes right up to Fountayne Street (despite those streets being unaffected by market renewal boundary)because it works to local government Goole wards (you can see a map on National Govt. statistics if you are keen - find site by browsing for East Riding then Goole wards). However, for now, I am responding to all contributors where I can, and we can see what material is submitted. If you have views on the documentation, other than social history, you can write to any of the contacts provided too. Hope this is helpful and does not tread on Goole on the Web messages.

Posted by Geoff Depledge at 23/04/2006 09:54

Thanks for the clarification. The sweet shop on Carlisle Street was once owned by Ann Storr (Wilson). From her days in the Peacock my mum remembers the two large houses at the end of North St but many of the cttage terraced houses have already been demolished, Mum says a family called Hellicot stayed in one of the houses and sher thinks it was Cowling in the other. She also recalls a horse shoeing place on North St but seems to remember it being below pavement level. I was in Goole with my Mum for the first time in years last week, much has changed but much stays the same, it will be a real pity if we cannot retain some of the 'real' Goole in the marshfield area. The Storrs lived at 30 Marshfield Rd from the mid thirties until about 1969, they had previously lived at Parliament St (1901 Census) then Marshfield Ave (where Mum was born 1918), then Kinsway No 4 before moving into the Peacock. My dads family also lived on Marshfield Rd. we think it was no. 63 I know little of the dates I think they would have left there in eary 50's Thomson Flower Depledge died in 46 and I think his wife moved to live with her daughter. At one side was Capt. Billy Laverack and at the other Capt. Lawson (to become a river pilot). Its funny how memory of childhood plays tricks, on re-visiting Marshfield Rd no. 30 is much smaller than I thought, as a child it was enormous. I see the alley between 28 & 30 is closed off as stated previously you could get throgh to Phoenix St via the arch.

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 24/04/2006 11:44

Your mother's memories are strong. Families at Belle Vue were Ellicott and Cowling too - related to Hartmann family previously mentioned.

Posted by Pedro at 24/04/2006 23:22

There was indeed a farrier in North St were the council flats now stand next to it was Stross scrap merchants.Also between the Tower Cinema was vacant land up to Mr Hills shop he delivered milk around the streets.On this land during the war was a large water tank on fire watch a soldier had a burning brazier us kids were once standing there keeping warm when he stupidly threw petrol on the fire Mary Smithson of 52 RC St recieved facial burns the soldier I believe court marshalled.Mr Barnard the coal merchant also had a stable in this area backing on to Victoria St his deliveries by horse and cart were carried out by Mr Risebury.

Posted by Pedro at 26/04/2006 00:06

The blacksmith on Northstreet was named Wrightson.Spoke today with my brother who is 85 yrs old he also mentioned a brewery Hepponstall in the same area he thinks the same family are still in the Southeren Arms pub in Hook.

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 26/04/2006 08:44

Yes, brewery began in earliest days of Goole as part of the Duckels family. Tom D the Brewer was there on North Street. Later Icon Heppenstall.

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 30/04/2006 12:54

Goole Gen website has a US based relative of Duckels seeking info on Brewery and its location. Any details remembered from Heppenstall period could be useful - have suggested that cross-reference between this site and GooleontheWeb will help enquirer to relate their family links with Goole.

Posted by Robert Ward at 01/05/2006 21:21

Re the sweet shop in Carlisle Street run by Mrs Newton, mentioned above. This was Jessie Newton, nee Chafer (1912-1995), wife of Harold Newton (1910-1963). Jessie's daughter still lives in Goole.

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 02/05/2006 07:18

So "divided" is Goole these days - physically by the grey area beyond the Clock Tower and by the road across the railway, that peters out in back lanes - folks from one end rarely see folks from other, unless they meet in Tesco's equally traffic-laden aisles! These streets need support from all those people whose long-lost links with "Shuffletown" have broken. The more houses sold to ERYC, the less residents left with enough interest to fight for real consultation and community development. Without a team of players to pitch in and build that community capacity, support its self-belief, there will soon be no Shuffletown left. Society has changed - that old-style neighbourliness evidenced in all these memories, barely continues. Modern life is lived differently, but all the mod cons human beings think they need will not replace the social vibrancy - whatever "clearances" ERYC makes. The funding fair Goole Action Group attended showed only too clearly just what action there is in small villages and groups - a buzz of people from outside Goole - but individuals, residents of our community, were thin on the ground. What is it about Goole that keeps us in the slow lane?

Posted by Pedro at 05/05/2006 20:37

re-Sam Whitely lost on the MV Northmoor

Posted by Pedro at 05/05/2006 20:43

I am presently in contact with a Mr Van Hal in Canada whos brother was the 2nd mate also one of the 11 lost on the Northmoor he seems to have all the history of the incident including the master of U-198 responsible for her sinking.awaiting further info will update later

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 07/05/2006 07:37

Look forward to your news - and will pass it on to the family. At present there is a dispute about the name of the boat - Margaret thinks it was Dobet(t) and P is writing his version about My Lady! But he did say the baby he is shown holding was his little brother.

Posted by Pedro at 07/05/2006 14:48

mr cawthorne had two daughters betty and dorothy they fell out over the name my girl consiquently he renamed her dobet.Paul Rice never had a brother but had sisters Patricia and Linda

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 11/05/2006 08:54

Baby brother 17 years younger!

Posted by Pedro at 11/05/2006 23:40

Crew of the MV Northmoor lost 1943 1 Albert Burrell chief eng age40 Glasgow 2 Joseph Grieg Cowley apprentice age 17 Gateshead 3 Richard Elsworthy sailor age 28 Hull 4 Dennis Johnson Jnr Eng age 22 Sunderland 5 James Kehoe 1st wireless operator age23 6 William Lamb 2nd officer age25 Newcastle 7 Bernard Mangan asst cook age 19 8 Norman Roch chief officer age 35 Barnard Castle 9 Isaac Seagreen AB age 64 10 Charles Shaw greaser age 29 11 SAMUEL WHITELY 3rd Eng GOOLE Not listed is the 12th person unamed Gunner ------------------------------------------- The MV Northmoor sailed from Hull was torpedoed by U-198 on may 17th 1943 In the Indian ocean north of Durban she was part of the convoy LMD17 Comprising of 6 ships sailing from Laurenco Marques Mozambique via Durban to Buenos Aries carrying a cargo of coal. The Master+20 crew and 4 gunners were rescued by HM Trawler ST Loman and landed at Durban. --------------------------------------------------- From Hitlers U-Boat War Vol 2 Captain Werner Hartmann of U-198 found the convoy off the Cape of Good Hope escorted by 2asw trawlers and 1 aircraft Hartmann tracked and sank the Northmoor his first sinking in 3 years he logged the trawlers pounded him with 50 depth charges and the aircraft dropped 5. He logged none did any damage but this allowed the convoy to escape. Captain Hartmann was later in the war awarded the iron cross He survived the war (unlike the U Boat lost with all hands later under a new command) Captain Hartmann later served in the german merchant navy and died in 1963

Posted by Pedro at 12/05/2006 14:28

Just recieved info on the 12th unamed gunner lost on the Northmoor he was Walter Garner age 31 of Willenhall Staffordshire

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 14/05/2006 14:52

Will show this Northmoor data to the family relatives next Sunday when the Shuffleton Streets history begins to log your research and reminiscences, Pedro, together with other details provided. Three rolls of lining paper at the ready in hope that 10 yearly periods can cope with family residence in these streets. Much of what you are so good at remembering is the stuff of a local history in its own right. We shall have to consider how best that can be presented for posterity. Thanks a lot for being the life-force of this neighbourhood. Is is possible that your own relative(s) would be able to attend the Waterways open day next Sunday? I am sure transport could be arranged if that would make things easier.

Posted by Pedro at 14/05/2006 18:00

Many thanks its been quite a trip I enjoyed immensley.Unfortunately I wont be back in Goole until June.But my elder brother will I understand be there.My brother informs me that the Northmoor and S whitely are not on the memorial at the lock hill.If this is the case I intend to rectify this in june with permission of family of course.And David Lee Jackson wants his dad who was lost on the Cedarbank putting on as they were both shipmates I see no reason why both ships and men cant go on the same plaque. after confirmation they arent already on the memorial.

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 15/05/2006 08:54

Note your intentions. Look forward to your brother attending. June probably means our paths cross in the night. If so, make yourself known down at the Waterways, to link up with the Museum and its staff, as well as Goole Mariners Association. All hold valuable records and resources concerning Goole and its history, especially shipping. There are several approaches and interests to studying it and it all needs to be retained in right conditions.

Posted by Rw On Behalf Of Paul Rice at 17/05/2006 13:52

During the 40s and 50s Richard Cooper Street and Phoenix Street had the biggest gang I think in Goole. We spent many an hour on the river bank. I had a portable gramaphone, we played records for hours...the girls names were Margaret Whiteley, Mary Whiteley, Marlene Hedley, Jean Seaton, Pat Rice, Nora Vanson, Val Kilden, Val Cooper, Ann Hodgeson and more. The lads was Roy Cowen, Mike Richardson, Charlie 'chuck' Colridge, John 'Macca' McGrory, Geof Robinson, Roy Bowling, Pete Harrison, Brian Hutcroft. Sadly we've lost 3 of the lads in the last 4 years. Oh, and not forgetting me with the lads - Paul Rice.

Posted by Riverside Rover at 17/05/2006 20:31

Correction of two names listed Roy Owens and Charlie Oldridge Cripes Paul that grammaphone playing old Frankie Laine records inc (tell me a story).Paul the disc jockey was in opposition to Cyril Owens who played non stop Al Jolson songs.Cyrils Brother Frank actually had a pet duck would you believe he hatched it from an egg incubated in his bed lol.It would follow him everywhere even to to the bakers shop. The gang hut was in Pauls back yard previously an air raid shelter, in the winter months it had a coke burning stove.Balmy summer days the roof of the shelter was for sunbathing.Membership for the Riverside Rovers one had to be born in Richard Cooper Street sorry Phoenix Street not eligible.

Posted by Pedro at 17/05/2006 22:54

My brother just reminded me that an aunt of ours lived in one of the cottages immediately behind No39 RC St later part of herons mill.I remember the windows and doors bricked up during my childhood He cant remember the name of these houses.But if you walk down the alleyway between No 37 and 39 the cottages were directly in front of you at the bottom of the lane.I do remember the red tiles on the roof and believe the cottages had no upstair accomodation.Can anyone help with the name of them please.

Posted by G at 18/05/2006 07:50

Fleemans Buildings?

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 18/05/2006 12:52

Right, then, we have this lads' gang of adolescent days. Two of the lads have done well for themselves in local terms, one we know to be ex-pat having gone to sea from early adulthood, many if not most married the girl next door, so how many settled down and are still within a stone's throw of the streets now in 2006? When did the rot set in - meaning the unsocial, undesirable state of society? What, if anything, did residents do then? Did old-timers leave for other streets in Goole, or elsewhere? Did anyone do anything about complaining to local Council officers or other authority? Trying to work out why this might not be a question so much of "rights" but more one of responsibility based upon personal experience in the neighbourhood these latter 15 years approx. Why is it that a gang that members associated with so strongly has broken up in the way it has? What value is placed now, upon the old ties? Is it that comforting sense of community that has been lost from society, or something else? Is it that modern pace of life has left Goole behind? Why do people still keep in touch and in same breath say that Goole never changes? And that is from a young person - no more than 40. I am trying to find out what makes this strong sense of relationships tick!

Posted by Pedro at 18/05/2006 22:29

Not fleemans Blds I could name all the residents here starting with MR Patterson in the first house down to Herbert Marshall at the opposite end.This ended with a brick wall then came Herons yard a vacant field in those days.The cottages came next.As previously stated these propertys were vacant in the 1940s probobly used by Herons as store rooms.My brother tells me to access these houses one went down the lane between Nos 37 and 39 Richard Cooper St and my aunts door was directly in front at the end of the lane.

Posted by Goole Action Group at 19/05/2006 07:34

In early census i.e.1871, from memory I think there were several lots of cottages in Shuffleton, named for their owners - e.g. Green's and Chambers. Are those "cottages" currently on the site (Ted Shaw's?) the same buildings you remember, modernised?

Posted by Pedro at 19/05/2006 22:02

Although I walked down the street last year I havent been down the lane for 50+ years.So not aware as how this area was altered by Mr Shaw.But the last memory I have of it was single story buildings and as one walked past No39 to 41 and 43 etc the buildings had upper stories were the girls worked on the conveyors in the factory area.My brother says he used to walk out of 39 back gate and enter my aunts house directly opposite he tells me that she moved out and went into No32 RC Street about 1939-40 her then married name was Bucknell (nee Cawthorn).

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 20/05/2006 09:31

I think the "Shaw" cottages will be the same buildings, as they are hard up to the boundary with the back alley behind 39 RC Street. They are not single storey now though they are approached from the mill entrance. I think your memory of mill outbuildings may include this semi-detached pair. Do seem to recall from research over past years, that mention was made of people living on mill site beside the Heron family in their early days at Goole. Will try and find time to look out the notes I have - despite them being recorded only for wider background to Shuffleton development on the "Marsh Field".

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 21/05/2006 17:03

Family History Day enquirer re Joseph Cooper: Joseph Cooper 48 born Yorks Wakefield living at Yorkshire W Riding Goole Lock Gateman See 1901 Census online for details above - further info available on payment of a fee. I believe this to be your father's father - a lock gateman as you thought.

Posted by Goole Action Treasurer at 22/05/2006 10:45

Good day at Local History event - OS map of Goole 1940 borrowed from Library Museum, shows streets coloured by ref. to development dates. Including a good "view" of Heron's yard, with buildings along that wall. This map is kept in the curator's "office" at Goole library - hangs on the wall. Worth inspecting. Enquiries and lots of information about Axholme Street, Edinburgh Street and for RC Street from new contacts able to name families in Shuffleton neighbourhood, particularly Carlisle Street, Spring Gardens and Sotheron St., who had married who and where they went, what they did in later life, and who their Goole-resident relatives are (this should help to get more locals on board the memory trail). The photographs submitted by residents for YellowHouse project copied into a display album and names for faces flying about. Still need to get these photographs labelled though, ask for Rachel at Waterways Museum if you are able to help with this. Also mention of family living at the Coronation Street Italian camp while Council housing built at Murham Ave.

Posted by Rachel at 24/05/2006 19:14

Yes it was a very good day - we always like to put faces to a name and to see new faces too!

Posted by Pedro at 29/05/2006 21:02

Glad to hear the local history day was a success and looking forward to visiting at the end of next month.Also thanks for info on the map of Shuffleton area hoping to find out more about the cottages at the rear of RC St.Im still intriqued about who the actual owners of RC and Phoenix St houses were I only remember the rent collectors But Hopley Ellicot and Rocket still ring a bell.Just wondered if any of the present owners now can throw any light on this through property deeds.I remember any repairs needed were usually carried out by Harry Johnson builder from old goole at that time he pushed his hand cart loaded with materials all the way from Couper st in old goole imagine negotiating bridge st with that load.My brother informs me after checking the seamans memorial that both S Whitely and D Jackson - Northmoor and Cedarbank are indeed commemorated here.

Posted by Geoff Depledge at 30/05/2006 22:27

Pedro my mum seems to remember that Randolph Hopley was the landlord for her mums house on Marshfield Rd.

Posted by Pedro at 31/05/2006 00:11

I thought the same Geoff I remember him with his leather satchel collecting most rents around the area But there is talk that he was only the agent and not the actual owner.Also remember rent increase from 5/- shillings up to 5/6p about 30p todays prices not bad for a 3 bedroom house. altho in 1953 Goole council charge my mum a massive 15/- shillings per week for a new 3 bed council property. 75p today often wonder what my dear departed mum would think now that 75p wont buy a packet of tea bags lol

Posted by Jimbob at 24/06/2006 11:49

anyone there?

Posted by Rw at 24/06/2006 12:23

Hello - we're still here! Keep your social histories and Shuffleton memories coming in...

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/07/2006 08:59

Yes, back in the land of the living. Well, nearly!

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 18/07/2006 22:48

Not been idle - see Richard Cooper text above.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 19/07/2006 08:42

When the houses were built in what is now RC Street, mid 1880s, many were homes and apparently owned by some of the residents who moved into Marshfield a decade or so later - e.g. G. K. Moore, who became a Trinity House Brother. These owners often retained their earlier property, and let it to tenants - who sent floral tributes when their landlords died. Also revealed by similar actions, another seafarer who owned property in Phoenix Street was E. P. Atkinson of Marshfield Road (father of Lilian Atkinson and grandfather of Harold Atkinson, who ended their days at Mayfleet, Hook Road). When RC Street was built, it was originally named Phoenix Street, until that street developed. Also both streets grew in stages, from the town end out to the river. These additions were made later, when the Phoenix Works folded, after it had been taken on and then closed by Earle's Shipbuilding/ Repair concern c. 1901. It seems that to get something from their landholding, Earle's sold some of the site to Hull builders E. Good who put in plans for development. Those plans started as deeply dense crammed conditions, that received support of two Goole Cllrs., until Lampley Holmes and others shot them down, saying these working men's houses should be built to best standards of the day, with room to breathe! What's changed??

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 20/07/2006 15:13

Free access to ancestry website at Goole library. Taken off details of 1891 residents for the two streets. For now, simply giving you a listing of surnames, and house no. when shown. I have copied census details to hand for reference, if further family info is needed. Phoenix Street 4. Phillips/Darley - Grocer 6. Frederick Gray - Hydraulics Engineer 8. Thomas Hailstone Fitter's Labourer 10. George Hudson - Marine Engineer 12. George Chafer - Shipwright 14 Luke Craven - Shipping Clerk 16. Florence Fox - wife (most of these women alone with family were probably wives of seafarers) 18. Louisa Watson - widow 20. William Spence - Town Carter 22. Smith - away 24. Theophilus Thompson - Waterman 26. Matilda Robertson - wife 28. Erastus Haigh - Shipwright 30. Miriam Fulcher - wife 32. Robert Alcock - Mariner 34. Elizabeth Clayton - wife 36. Mary Foster - wife 38. James Mummery - Tug Boat Agent 40. Arthur Scutt - Engine Driver (Loco) 39. John Sherburn - Capt of Steamship 37. Edward Lord - Seaman 35. John Sutherby - Mariner 33. John Heworth - Book-keeper/Cashier 31. Stephen Brooksbank - Labourer 29. W - Linsley - Engine Fitter 27. Frederick Lill - Mariner 25. Joseph Cass - Mariner 23. John G. Bateman - Carpenter 21. William Blakey - Engine Fitter 19. Bertha Barker - wife 17. Eliza Rockett - wife 15. James Brooksbank - Labourer 13. Lilian Kitwood - wife 11. George Witham - Tug Boat Engine Driver 9. Thomas Kay - Mariner 7. James Simpson - Assurance Agent 5. Mary Aaron - wife 3. Elizabeth Gill - wife 1. Sarah Moore - Monthly Nurse

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 20/07/2006 15:46

Richard Cooper Street was not numbered, but cross-reference with first entry in 1901 listings shows it to be most probably No. 2. So as a trial guide! I will put 1901 nos. in brackets before names - but do not necessarily assume families were still in the same property if they continued to live in the same street!! (2) Walter Dixie - Builder Mary James - widow Ann Cass - wife Susannah Moore - wife William Harnew - Tugboat Master (12) William Croudson - Clerk Gas Office William Depledge - Master Mariner (16) Arthur Depledge - Mariner Joseph Youhill - Carpenter Joseph Richardson - Merchant's Clerk Jim Hunt - Shipping Clerk Esther Laslett - wife Hannah Hopley - Widow (28) George Arnold - Mariner (34) Elizabeth Jepson - wife Mary Depledge - wife Mary Munday - wife William Vause - Fruit Merchant's Clerk (38) John Middlebrook - Foreman Alum Works (37) William Wormald - Shipwright Isaac Hebden - Sand Merchant/Keel Owner (33) Alfred Steele - Coach Painter (31) George Osborne - Captain Sailing vessel (29) Richard Huntington - Grocer Johnston - occupants at sea Henry Bradley - Lockman (23) John Huson - Marine Engineer William Tate - Travelling Agent Bertie Marshall - Bootmaker Charles Hudson - 1st Mate Mariner Collingwood Bateman - Blacksmith Jane Redfern - Monthly Nurse Jane Smith - wife (7) Benjamin Morley - Boatman NB - LOOKS as if there may be 3 missing entries - will try and get more time to check tomorrow - you are asked politely to leave when you have been there all morning, and someone else wants their turn. Fair enough.

Posted by Pedro at 21/07/2006 23:26

Interesting to note how some family names still in the streets even in my childhood days.Darley family had the grocer shop at the end of phoenix st.I used to chop firewood for a dear old lady Mrs Dixie an ancient widow woman living alone at No45 Rc I think.She always wore a black crocheted shawl.Steele family also along with Richardsons. By the way nurse houghton was the local midwife responsible for delivering all us urchins I can still see her riding her sit up an beg bycycle with a wicker basket on the front and the leather medical case fastened at the rear and she would still aknowledge us by our first names.:)

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 24/07/2006 10:18

Brilliant stuff, Pedro. Mrs. Dixie must have been the wife/widow of Walter D who was a local builder. I have stuff about him coming to Goole with his father as a young lad, to built the first of the railway bridges over the cut, just beyond the Waterways Museum. Then later he worked with another local family, the same John Ellis of Kingsway whose father built Memel Cottages in Marshfield. After that Dixie worked for the Goole Borough Council as its Clerk of Works. It's far easier to find out about these blokes from the press, than it is to get inside information on the women-folk. So Nurse H and her bairns is another interesting cameo to record. Good to know that even now you can establish links with 1891.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 25/07/2006 21:11

Checked Mrs. Dixie - she appears in 1940 GT almanack as Hetty, of 47 RC Street. Walter Dixie's wife was Elizabeth, so will next check whether Hetty was wife of their son - S. Walter D. Still trying to find out when Minnie Cluff nee Cooper died. She appeared in 1919 GT almanack, but not found her there after then. Ancestry not found her either, yet!

Posted by Pedro at 05/08/2006 22:40

All my uncles on mothers side of the family were seafarers I well remember during the war been given a pomegranate I took it to school the headmaster borrowed it and took it around each classroom this exotic fruit had never been seen by the kids before.Also interesting was the fact we were catholics and attended St Thomas school in old Goole and so leaving RC St we walked along Hook road up the steps opposite Vic Hotel crossing Vic lock Ouse lock And Ocean lock entering bridge St at the Vermuden hotel crossing the dutch river and along Swinefleet Rd to school.Later we caught the Benny Sketcher Swinefleet bus when the church agreed to refund the 2pence per day bus fare.(one old penny each way) But to get our 10pence back we had to attend 9am mass at St Josephs in Pasture Rd each sunday and were duly paid back out of the collection plate.The firewood I chopped for Mrs Dixie came from Arthur Storrs Wharehouse in Burlington Cres.Mr Cooledge was in his employ and for 3pence he would sell the fruit boxes which were more prolific after the war.Previous to this firewood came out of the river washed up on the foreshore and duly sawn into logs.Ahh happy days :)

Posted by Jacqueline Hill Maiden Name Adams at 22/08/2006 23:42 - Send Email

hello my name is jackie i lived at 6 spring gardens hook road till i was8 i am now 34 and live in lanarkshire scotland i was looking at pictures of goole and i cant believe how much everything looks different the only place that looked familiar was the picture of the market front i have not been back to goole since i moved here with my mumafter my father died we moved here to be beside my mums family do you know of any other websites i could look at to see pictures of the way everthing looks now my fathers name was david george adams and he would be 92 if he was still alive i dont think he came from that area originally i know he was in the navy any info gratefull thank

Posted by Pedro at 23/08/2006 23:13

try GOOLE ON THE WEB Jaquie in your search eng

Posted by Greig Markham at 13/09/2006 17:27

My ancestors lived at 7 Fleeman's Buildings in 1871 and Belgravia in 1881. Can anyone tell me anything about the buildings, please?

Posted by Juliet Chambers (nee Cluff) at 28/09/2006 22:25 - Send Email

I have read this social history with interest. I am the granddaughter of Ashley Fitzgerald Cluff, now living in East Yorkshire,. My father Mervyn Fitzgerald Cluff was the only son of Ashley. He now lives in York (81 years old) but had links with Goole through his law firm (he was senior partner of a law firm based in Hull). I have a brother who lives in Caistor. Ashley and his wife lived to a very old age and for many years he ran a pharmacy in Hull and was a practicing optician. Please let me know if you need further information on this part of the family tree.

Posted by Roy Gunson at 08/10/2006 20:25

Hi. I have been reading with interest the articles regarding Phoenix St/Richard Cooper St posted on the Goole websites by 'Pedro' and marvelling at his remarkable ability to recall both the names of the residents and in most cases their houses. I had connections with Phoenix St by way of my grandparents, Isaac and Louisa Hebdon, who lived at 26 and their children being Lucy, Sydney, Lillian and Cyril, my mother being Lillian, sadly only Cyril survives and now lives with his daughter in Bournemouth. I would like to know whether 'Pedro' remembers them, I am not quite sure of the dates when they lived there only that my grandad left to live with my parents in Swinefleet during the early sixties.

Posted by Pedro at 10/10/2006 21:36

I vaguely remember two families named hebdon in phoenix st I seem to think they lived around access thro to marshfield.What we called the archway.One family later moved to either Sotheron or Sutton St

Posted by Pedro at 10/10/2006 22:00

If anyone spotted two old codgers on Sunday morning 8th Oct walking down RC St It was my brother and I reminicing my Bro is in his 84th year we walked down the back lane adjacent to Herons mill where we spent our childhood days.Remembered when our bedroom was the attic of No 39 one could view the river from this attic window. it was so sad to see all the boarded up houses which are still in a better state of repair than years ago. So Sad

Posted by Rw at 15/10/2006 11:11

Hi All, on 29th October 'Shuffleton Streets' will be at The Yorkshire Waterways Museum's Faimily History Day. We'll be bringing all the photos and memories that we have collected so far, so feel free to come along and have a look, and perhaps add your own memories and reminiscences!

Posted by Pedro at 14/11/2006 23:02

talking to my brother today and recollected (a knocker up) A chap with a long pole rapping on the bedroom window alarm call for work.(god only knows how we remember him at that time in the morning)But my bro seems to think he rapped on a mister Bradleys window who was a fitter working at either Brough or Hull and lived probobly at No14 RC street.We used to buy bread bread rolls from Ritchies bakery before the shop opened Mr Metcalf the baker would serve us at the bakehouse.Also remember the lamplighter on his evening rounds illuminating all the gas lamposts in PH and RC Streets plus the lamposts in the back lanes.

Posted by Kevin Flynn, Chair Goole Action Group at 17/11/2006 10:02

Pedro- probably Goole's oldest resident Mrs. Bradley lived at No.12 Richard Cooper St. neighbour to my mother in law at No.14 for several years during the seventies and maybe early eighties. She had been widowed for several years but the Mr. Bradley you referred to was probably her husband.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 14/12/2006 13:55

Long lay-off but looking in I was delighted to find entry from Richard Cooper's family. I have made direct contact with Juliet Chambers nee Cluff. The following entries were collected when locals worked with Yellow House on Phoenix Street Voices, still awaiting publication in some format, but Roy Gunson's relations provided the information below, that might help Pedro to confirm his always clear-cut memories as to who was who and where they all lived. CYRIL HEBDON (b.1915) has written about “the name 'Phoenix Street': I can tell you generally about the name as I was born there in 1915. The story I learned was that Phoenix Street started with the smelting works at the bottom of the street, which melted iron and other metals. It was the Phoenix Works and whoever chose the name must have had the knowledge of the 'Arabian Nights', a fictitious story saying of the bird, that it was born in the flames of the furnace and as it burned, out of the ashes arose a new Phoenix which flew away for a 100 years. I guess the idea appealed to the owner as they smelted the scrap metals and made new things. I believe the owners had some connection with Richard Cooper. Phoenix Street was open to the foundry, then it became a Dance Hall etc., in the middle 20's they closed the big double gates and sealed it off and then it was changed to The Adelphi Garage. This was a workshop during the second world war as I can remember tanks coming down the street to be repaired at the garage, one tank was located on the bank at the top of Richard Cooper Street. I remember some of the names in the street. Connie Rice and her parents lived at 28. Mr. Rice was a steward on the Lanky boats, we were 26 and at No. 24 lived the Sutherby family - one of the lads became a skipper on the Lanky boats. His boat was torpedoed and sank with all hands. He and the crew are remembered with a plaque in the Parish Church. I think the boat was S.S. Goole. Across the road from us lived 'the Martins' and 'the Bruces' and further down the Street just by the arch lived Mr. & Mrs. Walter Hebdon (my Aunt and Uncle). Joan Andrews their daughter still lives in Goole. Lots of happy memories, but times change.” MRS. V. COLLINS (b.1934) tells us: “My mum was Lilian Hebdon, who was born at 26 Phoenix Street in 1911. She told me quite a few things that happened in the street when she was a girl. During the '14-18 war her Dad was away in France and her Mum needed some extra momey to keep her 3 children so she baked buns and cakes and made toffee, toffee apples and toffee lollipops (the recipe I still use today), coconut macaroons and some kind of ice cream, which she called Hokey Pokey, and these were all sold in her front room at No. 26. It was not too long ago a lady who lived in Phoenix Street at the time told me she couldn't make enough, they used to queue for her sundries. In the early 20's the Phoenix Works was changed to a Dance Hall and my mum and her sister used to stand at the door and watch the carriages drawing up with the ladies in long fancy dresses and the men in Dinner Suits and Bow Ties; mum said you had to be rich to go to the Dance Hall. I myself was born at 26 Phoenix Street in 1934, but all I can remember was all the Air Raid Shelters down the street during the war and afterwards all the children playing in them. Mr. Hebdon lived down Phoenix Street from 1906 to 1961 and all the children called him Uncle Ike. Mrs. Phyllis Cowling lived next door to me, and she lived in Phoenix Street with her parents, 4 sisters and 2 brothers. When she was young they called them Martin and she used to tell me the same stories as my mum, so I think they must be true.”

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 27/12/2006 13:32

HEBDON FAMILY 1891 Census for RC Street Isaac H Senior and wife Eliza apparently living at 35 - unnumbered but I have fathomed the street order, I think!) Isaac born Bridlington Quay, occupation given as ?Sand Merchant Keel Owner Children then were: Alfred, Joseph, Charlotte, George, Isaac & Walter. Guess Isaac Junior is the same one who moved to Phoenix Street.

Posted by Geoff Depledge at 08/01/2007 19:39

The information you have collated is superb its a lot of work but please keep it up

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/01/2007 08:11

Much appreciate your encouragement. I have just added another note to the development of RC Street. Without all the individual resources provided by interested people whose stories lie behind all this local life, Goole and its society would not be such a rivetting occupation. Much more to come. Keep looking in.

Posted by Elizabeth Murfitt at 17/01/2007 01:39

Hi there ,enjoyed reading the various stories and memories of yesteryear I am looking for my Great Great grandfather Whitworth Gill who was listed on the 1861 census at living at the Ferry Boat Inn in Goole. I was wondering if there is anyone out there who might have details, It would be fantastic if I could find out about him as the details I have are rather sketchy, he was a master mariner from Knottingley. I can be contacted at the above Email address. Regards Eliz.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 17/01/2007 15:35

Have responded by email suggesting wider contact via www.Goole-on- the-Web.org.uk. There were several Gills in Goole - some mentioned in social history stuff above. Another was Francis Moody Gill. They were no doubt your relatives from the Knottingley branch of the family. Keep looking on both sites for possible replies from the mariners' descendents among contributors. Good Luck

Posted by Denham Meek at 28/01/2007 01:00 - Send Email

My Grandfather was Alexander Meek of Aleander Meek & Sons who lived at Brough in the house called Glenville(now the Bough golf course club house). Alexander Meek first lived in Hook and in bout 1967 moved to Brough. I would be interested in seeing any list of residents of Hook circa 1850. He owned Alexander Meek & Sons, a shipping firm, mostly in Humber Keels and several deep sea ships. Any leads as to web sites on Hook would be appreciated. Your Gpoole action Groujp is great.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/02/2007 08:24

Good to hear from a Meek descendant. I am well aware of the company and its background, history in coaling and earlier. You will find Meeks on census material for Goole from earliest days, in East Parade to begin with. Hook was Goole in some terms then. Alex. was agent to Hook manorial landlords, or landholders - Sotheron Estcourts - c.1860. I got most of my info from back issues of Goole Times, a laborious searching through microfilm records at Goole library. But for a start on the shipping scene look at www.Goole-on-the-Web.org.uk, and links thereon to shipping site/Waterways etc. A fascinating place to begin your trawl. My own interest in Meek as one of Goole's early shipping companies stems from his connections with land development. The streets that ERYC wants to demolish were built in the same marshy close, as the houses on the southern side of Marshfield Road. The whole field was developed in pieces or strips by Duckels family, over a long period, or their purchasers. One such purchaser was another shipping company man, John Taylor, same vintage as Alex Meek. If you want to query any special points please ask and I will try and assist.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/02/2007 11:22

Ref. Meek and Coal trade - this company links with Earles, the Hull shipbuilding and engineering firm who took on the Phoenix foundry after Richard Cooper. Earles of Hull built colliers for Alexander Meek's coal exports - specially strengthened vessels to withstand the Baltic ice as they traded with Hamburg. Yorkshire Coal & Steam Shipping named their vessels alphabetically after the German towns along the Elbe estuary before reaching the port of Hamburg. (ss. Altona, Frankfurt, Gotha etc.) Many of the crew were Goole men - and in the1880s their chief officers were issued with uniforms. The shipping was bought out by Lancs & Yorks Railway, and on outbreak of WW1 it was deemed more diplomatic to change to British names. Perhaps George will do the detailing on his Riversea website, and follow it up with the company's Sheffield canal trade, that continued under Bleasdale I believe.

Posted by George Robinson at 11/02/2007 19:25

By happy coincidence I have just put a set of Meek's ships (those for which I have photos from Charlie Hill's collection) on my website at http://riversea.tugtalk.co.uk/hill/aashiplist.htm They will eventually be linked into the Wateways Museum website as a more permanent record.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 18/02/2007 08:12

Alex. Meek/Yorkshire Coal Steam Shipping links show H.Holey (Goole) attending AM's funeral August 1894. Was this mourner the same Henry Holey, shipping clerk, resident at 38 Phoenix Street 1901? More than likely a former employee because the Goole Times obituary reported that: "The shipping office was represented so far as we could gather, by Messrs. R. Kirk, T. Ward, A.Wise, H. Halkon, P. Burkhill, F. Clayton, J. Richardson, J. Simpson, E. Thompson, J. Sutcliff, W. Bleasdale, S. Greaves, C. Billington, Domer, Leak, Meyer." Several of the above-named were in the shipping business following the sale of Yorkshire Coal's steamships, first to Goole Steam Shipping Co. and later to L & Y, and then to resurrected small coaling concerns, staffed by these shipping men.

Posted by Robert Ward at 22/02/2007 12:52 - Send Email

I can provide more background about the Phillips/Darley greengrocers mentioned several times about, having come across them in tracing my own Wetherell ancestry. Allan Phillips was baptised at Rawcliffe in 1832. In 1881, Allan and his wife Grace were greengrocers at Main Street Hook, but by 1891 had moved to 4 Phoenix Street. Their daughter Esther had married George Darley in 1890, and the Darleys helped run the business. Allan Phillips died in 1894, and Grace in 1908. In 1901, the Darleys have two children, Grace Louisa Darley (9) and George Henry P Darley (2). Esther Darley lived until 1942. Interestingly, Allan Phillip’s Aunt, Ann, married Mark Wetherell, and one of their grandsons founded Wetherell’s department store of Selby.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 24/02/2007 08:21

Good to have additional details on the Grocery and its families. Many thanks Robert.

Posted by David Lea-jackson at 26/02/2007 18:20

During the war years I recall my aunt Annis Halliday delivering milk carried in churns on the backof a two wheeled cart pulled by a pony. My aunt was living in Marshfield road.

Posted by Stephen Smith at 07/03/2007 20:10

I found this site because of research I have been doing about the Harniess family who are travelling showmen. The founder of the firm was Tom Harniess. He had a yard between Phoenix Street and Marshfield Road, and used the warehouse as a picture house and skating rink. Tom died at his home at 78 Marshfield Road in 1911. His death was registered by the manager of the theatre and rink, John Rose, who lived nearby at 21 North Street. I would be very interested to hear from anyone who can add anything to this, either about the premises or about the Harniess family and their fair.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 08/03/2007 07:51

Coincidentally, the fair was in town last night, setting up on Estcourt Street car park. I will try and find the info. I have on the theatre, but have checked the Boothferry Family & Local History Group labours: Goole Cemetery Monumental Inscriptions, Vol. 1 entry 228: found Tom Harniess - reads as follows: In/loving memory/of/TOM HARNIESS,/amusement caterer,/of Swinton Yorks,/who died at Goole/Sept 17th 1911,/aged 60 years./"We cannot Lord thy purpose see,/but all is well that's done by thee."/Also of Elizabeth,/the beloved wife of the above/who passed away at Askern/June 17th 1933,/aged 82 years. 78 Marshfield Road is the last house on the "town side" of Marshfield, built on the "marsh close" (field) that was developed 1872-1880s by purchasers of the former Duckels estate. No. 78 stands nearest the riverbank, behind Hook Road properties built c.1890 (from memory) by the Farnill family who first lived in Marshfield. There, they owned 3 houses in a terrace (74/76/78), with flights of steps to front doors, and basements beneath, belonging to Capt. Paul Farnill and his wife. Mostly rented out, especially after the Farnills moved around the corner. 78 is very tightly squeezed in behind the Hook Road properties. Also of interest: Tom Harniess grave is very close to the Farnill family plot - could he have been known to them? Mrs. F a big Wesleyan at North Street Chapel. The theatre was probably leased or tenanted too. You no doubt seen already the history of the warehouse before Earle's departed c.1901. Thereafter the building had many uses. Will get back to you on this as soon as I can track my notes.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 08/03/2007 08:46

Seems to me that Tom Harniess may have been boarding with occupants at 78 Marshfield Road prior to his death, or a lodger there. Not uncommon at that time, and in view of his occupation possibly one way of keeping an eye on his premises that are only yards from that house. In 1907 one of Capt. Farnill's daughters advertised this house to let. Also, I have some details (culled from Goole Times Year Books at Goole ref. library) for more of Farnill family living there in years from 1908 - year that Farnill Clayton changed his address from 33 Sotheron Street to 78 M.Road - and Farnill Clayton shows this address for years 1912 and 1914.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 08/03/2007 09:09

A quick Google on TH brought up this extract on Sheffield uni. Showmen's national archive website (gained copyright approval to reproduce) : "Over in Swinton was the base of another of Yorkshire's well known fairground families. Tom Harniess of the Don Pottery, Swinton, near Rotherham, was one of the earliest Roundabout Proprietors in South Yorkshire. Tom and Fanny Harniess had five children. With the three sons George Samuel, Frank and Len, they travelled the country with their equipment as the Harniess Brothers. Under this name they operated an ornate Gondola Switchback, a set of Galloping Horses, two Electric Motor Scenic Railways, a Cake Walk and a Slip. Their sister Dorinda married Will Starr and they too took an active part, travelling one of the Scenic Railways and later a Dodgem. Today there are still members of the Harniess family attending Yorkshire fairs." I have queried Tom's wife being named as "Fanny" here, but is shown as "Elizabeth" on the monumental stone. Will update this in due course when checks have been made in the archives.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 08/03/2007 11:31

RE PHOENIX STREET WORKS - See detailed entry in Social History above.

Posted by Stephen Smith at 08/03/2007 17:02

Many thanks for the interest already shown in the Harniess connection. Fanny ws Tom Harniess' first wife and died in 1885 following a difficult birth. He remarried Elizabeth later. Altogether he had four sons who followed him into the business: George Samuel, Leonard, Frank and Henry. Tom Harniess occupied the old Don Pottery at Swinton in the 1890s before moving to Goole. Possibly he outgrow the premises or the rent became too dear; we will possibly never know. I have a copy of his will dated 1911, and it doesn't list a house amongst his possessions, but does leave his living vans to his wife and only single daughter, Edith Annie. But it does talk about the theatre and skating rink as if they were his property: "until the Hook Road theatre and skating rink is sold..." Unless this meant the lease rather than the actual property. Please keep the references coming in, they are all very helpful.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 08/03/2007 19:05

Thank you for this great background and adding to the life of Tom Harniess. I feel your sources may well be right insofar as the building was probably owned by Tom, if the terms you quote are from his Will. More than likely that he bought the Works and the family inherited the property - using it after Tom's death for business purposes by the sound of it. Farnill Clayton's family are believed to have been very supportive of fellowship within the Church (his son, another Farnill, became Organist and Choir Master at St. Paul's Anglican church in Goole), and that FC Snr. was Secy. of Tom's Club for the working men as well as providing him with accommodation, suggests their outlook was sympathetic to such ideas. The Band members too were all strongly involved in Chapel events, as I will outline on the website. With time I will research more in the local newspaper ref. the Skating Rink and I do know that the rooms were used for formal occasions. There are memories already shown in the resident's reminiscences for Phoenix Street, and I have come across references to Marshfield residents attending full-dress events at this venue, too. Fascinating stuff and great to have shared knowledge.

Posted by Steve Smith at 18/03/2007 20:27

Have been to see the remains of Harniess' Skating Rink and Theatre today. It's certainly a huge building. I presume that the yard now attached to the Adelphi garage was where they lived in the living wagons and where the loads were parked. Was the name Adelphi used when it was a factory or was this name adopted when it became a theatre? Are there any documents I could look at which would tell me when Harniess' actually used the buildings and yard, such as rate books? Also saw 78 Marshfield Road where he died. It obviously backs on to the yard, so likely that he was taken in there by neighbours when his illness became too great for him to get in and out of his wagon. Such a shame about the houses in Richard Cooper Street and Phienix Street, I hope something positive somes of it all.

Posted by Pedro at 23/03/2007 22:52

Remember my dear departed mother telling me stories of the Adelphi theatre and later skating rink during her childhood days.During my own childhood even during WW11 when it housed American bren gun carriers and tanks(incidently this was the only time I remember doors opening in Phoenix St.)The large green sliding doors were signed Adelphi works even after Lep transport took over.

Posted by Marie Clark at 19/04/2007 18:06

I think this site is great. Does anybody know how Rowbottom Yard got its name. Its mentioned in the 1881 census,1891, and 1901.My maiden name was Rowbottom, My family lived in hook. They were watermen and keelmen from 1861 until 1900.

Posted by Pedro at 24/04/2007 22:17

Remember Ezra Harrison from Hook fruit and veg with his horse and cart down RC Street.Had to follow him around with a bucket/shovel collecting fertilizer for dads allotment. pulling these houses down along with all the history is a disgrace - let's stop them.

Posted by Chris Hunt at 27/04/2007 06:38

For david Lea-Jackson I remember Annis Holiday (not Halliday), could this be the same woman? of 18 Marshfield Road, did she have three children, John, Philip and Rebecca? Chris

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 29/04/2007 19:51

Most of the "yards" were named after their owners, Marie. So it is probable that Rowbottam Yard belonged to your family. Was this one of the yards off Bridge Street? Some were owned by Clegg, for example. You could check census for Rowbottams' tenants.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 30/04/2007 10:06

Wish that we could stop this ERYC action, Pedro. Sadly, despite steps of all and every kind, on many fronts not only in Goole, but across the country from Liverpool to Tees and Tyne, people's views and homes are being ruined by bureaucrats. All that stands between ERYC and demolition on the local scene are a handful of landlords who have held out against negotiated property sales. The Warehouse site is to be demolished within six months without any plans submitted for redevelopment, beyond the outline application approved for 14 new dwellings. Access via Phoenix Street! A good website to make contact with others affected is Fight for your Homes - see the feedback there. Latest government turnaround however is at Manchester, where the influx of migrant labour and market value of property is now causing a re-think, ha ha.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 03/05/2007 20:53

Pedro, I have downloaded several GT reports/letters on the Streets, if you would like to read these, please email me. As this is election day, I just wonder what verdict the people of Goole have cast on behalf of our town.

Posted by Pedro at 04/05/2007 00:07

Note the residents of RC street in 1940 (above) do you have same for Phoenix St or have I missed them somewhere

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 04/05/2007 08:31

1940 P Street - I have rough notes, will put these on the site - previously overlooked I think! If you have comments to flesh out any residents, do update please.

Posted by Pedro at 04/05/2007 20:54

Ref Phoenix St 1940 residents just a thought would No2 be part of Darleys shop? also seem to recall a family called Cooledge at No4 or was this a later date?

Posted by Pedro at 04/05/2007 20:59

same as Mrs Gleadows shop in RC street No1 and No3 was just a door into adjoining property

Posted by Pedro at 05/05/2007 07:47

Also believe at 42 Phoenix St 1940 lived a family Appleyard

Posted by Angela at 06/05/2007 18:16

My husbands Grandparents Alexander Ramsay + wife Jack & Alice Dagmar May born 1923(mum) married Albert Haynes in June 1944? in the snow & moved to Birmingham we know they lived at no 45 Richard Coopper St. he remembers visiting them fom a early age this would have been late 50s on also remembers relitives in Carter St. there is info on a John Ramsay who died between 1914 -18 not sure if brother of Alexander or Son we only know he was close reletive any info on this would be helpfull

Posted by Pedro at 08/05/2007 22:59

On the other corner to mrs Gleadows shop adjacent to the back lane to RC street was Fosters butcher shop.Later in the 1940s owned by Mayall family (think thats how its spelled) They opened it as the corner house cafe and icecream parlour sadly lack of custom closed it down.However they ran this large property by taking in Irish lodgers one who is still living in Goole at present having married a local girl and raising a family. This property is the first boarded up house one sees on driving down Carlisle St across the end.

Posted by Ray Mourby at 18/05/2007 11:32 - Send Email

I was born in 1941 in Axholme St, a house which is now Ted Shaws garage, Next door neighbours were Clarksons whose mother ,for many years, worked the ticket kiosk at the Cosy Carlton cinema. I am trying to get in touch with Bill Theaker who lived in Fleemans Buildings,(situated between Axholme St and Richard Cooper St back lane).

Posted by Jeanette Headley at 05/06/2007 20:51

i am enquiring if anyone out there remembers agnes gaughan married reginald van der tak and later married harry fitzgerald and annie gaughan death in 1949 and where annie gaughan is burried

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 06/06/2007 09:07

Can I suggest a check for Annie Gaughan's burial, either at Goole Town Council records, or by reference to those already transcribed in Boothferry Family and Local History volumes - copies can be consulted at Goole Reference Library.

Posted by David Lea-jackson at 18/06/2007 17:58

Chris Hunt: Your note dated 27/04/07 refers,sorry for the delay in respondin.g.You got it in one Chris,Annis was my aunt,I know that she passed away sometime ago as did Phillip.This leaves John and Rebbeca who I have lost touch withI think Rebecca is still in Goole,the last I heard of John and his family was that they were in Hampshire.I certainly would like to hear from them. Many thanks for your trouble, David L-J

Posted by Pete at 07/08/2007 17:12

Now that Gordon Brown says we must have more affordable homes built.Does this mean Richard Cooper St and Phoenix St will get a reprieve as a few thousand pounds spent on these properties would be far cheaper than building new council houses in Goole.That is of course if we could find land to build them on.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 18/08/2007 09:31

"Pathfinders reassessing housing policy" according to Regeneration News article dated 3 August 2007 - for some reason this periodical does not want its news copied and its web address listed on this site. But if you look up the title on web browser, you should be able to read all about it. However, the East Riding is not one of the areas listed as looking at this again, hardly surprising the way it works.

Posted by Peter Jackson at 31/08/2007 20:14

there was an address of no1 council house in gowdell nr. snaith which is not shown on the 1901 census and not there now.can anybody help me. thank you in advance.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 02/09/2007 09:23

If anyone can help Peter, please email him. I have suggested he tries www.Goole-on-the-Web.org.uk for a broader approach.

Posted by Tina at 18/10/2007 17:36 - Send Email

Hi, can anyone help i have been told some time between roughly 1910-1950 there was a place called harrison's corner has anyone heard of this any info please tina

Posted by Peter at 07/11/2007 12:06

I myself named Harrison but never heard of Harrisons corner in Goole

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/11/2007 08:46

Although I have never come across Harrison's Buildings, suggest possibility that Harrison's could have owned some of the buildings either across Dutch River in old Goole or behind Bridge Street (or elsewhere). These housing "blocks" were developed by local families, e.g. Clegg, Duckels, Gleadow and many small business people/mariners, around 1870s, and let to family and others, at a time when there was insufficient housing in Aire & Calder new town of Goole for workers flocking to Goole from rural villages and towns. Built before public health byelaws were passed, many of these houses and streets were eventually condemned. The census lists many addresses that stood on Aire & Calder dockland. Goole Library has listed the streets that appear in Census. A search or request to the local history reference section might be useful. There was a builder named Harrison in 1870s. He lived in Chapel Street/Ouse Street area and put up a few houses in Marshfield.

Posted by Pedro at 23/11/2007 23:08

Would Hunts corner in Old Goole have been named after the builders I remember derelict properties here in the 1940s.Morleys fair a regular visitor on this site before and after the old houses were removed. the kids including Tully Morley attending St Thomas school when the fair arrived.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 24/11/2007 11:34

Can't say from my own knowledge. Like you, I remember the fairs and circus held there, but do know there were houses known as Clark's Cottages - after Farmer Clark (? same man as used Shuffleton land before housing developed in RC era - ?William Clark of Hook).

Posted by Rob Maude at 10/12/2007 16:39

Erastus Haigh, who was a shipwright and lived at 28 Phoenix Street was my great-grandad. He had a daughter called "Earley", who may also have been known as Mary. Or he may have had another daughter called Mary. Not sure about this. Earley Haigh married Albert Maude in Goole in 1923. If anyone knew them then I would love to hear.

Posted by Alan Pike at 15/01/2008 22:27

Quote from a message by Pedro. { us kids were once standing there keeping warm when he stupidly threw petrol on the fire Mary Smithson of 52 RC St recieved facial burns the soldier I believe court marshalled} Mary Smithson of 52 RC St. was my cousin and I was one of those kids and I had facial burns, the only thing I remember was being taken away in an ambulance. Alan Pike

Posted by Pedro at 16/01/2008 23:39

Same ambulance took my brother luckily he had minor injuries.but did have his hair shorn at the barbers later.Mary Smithson was more seriously hurt returned home smeared in some sort of petroleum jelly and swathed in bandages.( as if we didnt have enough going on what with the war)

Posted by Alan Pike at 18/01/2008 22:15 - Send Email

Hi Pedro I was very young when the fire exploded with us kids standing round it, do you remember the date. My memories of R C street are very hazy now after all these years. I do remember playing on the old wooden staging on the riverside at the end of R C street. I'ts only with hindsight that I realise how dangerous that was because as I recall it was rotting away. Another question I'd like to ask is, was there a cinema called "The Carlton" and did it get bombed.

Posted by Pedro at 22/01/2008 00:02

Well it was certainly during the war maybe towards the end.The soldier was on fire watch between the tower theatre and Burlington Crecent a vacant piece of land (now a car repair and sales)Alarge water tank was placed here to put out incendary bombs he had a fire brazier a cold winter day.Kids gathered around after the film matinee keeping warm.The soldier had some flammable liquid possibly used to start his brazier.The kids refused to move on so he threw it on the fire hoping to scare them off but the results could have been fatal.I remember officers from the forces arriving later in a jeep to apologise to Smithson family at No 52 RC St. and Harrisons at 39.Soldiers were billetted in house along Hook Rd at the time.

Posted by Alan Pike at 03/02/2008 10:49

I seem to remember an ice cream parlour somewhere near RC St. It was open just after the WW2. I cant recall the location, anyhow there was one in Goole.

Posted by Pedro at 04/02/2008 22:24

Cosy cafe previously a butcher shop opposite corner to Gleadows next to RC back lane ran by Mayall family wasnt a sucsess

Posted by Pedro at 05/02/2008 21:32

SORRY WAS CORNER HOUSE CAFE

Posted by Pedro at 07/03/2008 19:35

Remembering the war years when DIG FOR VICTORY-Keep a Pig ETC. Dads allotment now Kingsway school was at the end of Ainsty Street In the back yards of RC and PH St was a brick built wash boiler in the corner with a coal fire under the boiler. My uncle dismantle this brick by brick (as we now had a posh gas boiler) and rebuilt it at the allotment for boiling potatoes for the pigs Sunday (after church) we kids helped out with the allotment my job was to fill the boiler with water (water source from tanks like those in the cemetery today)Top up with spuds and light the fire under using logs and any firewood available.Wood usually off cuts from my uncles boat he was building a cabin onto a lifeboat in the next garden.This lifeboat was bought in Hull sailed up river to Goole and brought out of the river down the slope near the band stand.On completion of the cabin launched the same way.Happy days later eating boiled spuds for a sunday snack.

Posted by Ange From Oz at 10/03/2008 01:14 - Send Email

Does anyone have any knowledge of a Vivien (May) Keeting, living in Goole during 1920's +. She had several children to Henry Austwick. My grandfather was Thomas Austwick Keeting born Goole 1914. I believe his Grandfather Richard Austwick lived at Number 6 Phoenix Street, early 1900's.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/03/2008 08:22

Have a look at Phoenix Street Residents 1901, on this site. You will find R Austwick at No. 6. Full census entry for 1901 might add more background to your search for the rest of the family. Hope your enquiry triggers local knowledge.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/03/2008 08:52

Allotments, Pedro. A week or few back, local paper was advertising allotments on "Hook Road". I didn't think there were any left undeveloped there, and assumed they meant those at the foot of Kingsway Bridge. Aren't you glad that all these memories of rich experiences fuel your life? What we wartime kids all took for granted has turned out to be a store far better stocked than the sterility of the streets today. Pigs in back yards off Avenues, foraging in woodland for acorns to feed them, mucking about in boats on riverbanks, all shared with you.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 10/03/2008 13:06

Ange., Library research does not throw up Keeting, but there was a Keeling living in town 1920s. Not searched any deeper for that as yet. But there may be a link to your Henry Austwick. NOTE: The records spell name as is sounds AUSTICK. A brother, 2 years junior to Richard Austwick. Do you have any family history? I have looked back to 1871 Census to find this Henry, aged 13, and living with his siblings aboard the vessel Two Friends, their father John, the master, (born Beal) and mother, Sarah (born Rawcliffe) - these places on the Aire riverside. The other children were Richard, 15, the mate (our Goole waterman on the canal in 1901), Ann Elizabeth 17, Anna Mary 8 and Ambrose 3 - all born at Knottingley (another riverside place and close to Beal). For further info. look at Phoenix Street 1901 page on this site.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 13/03/2008 08:28

Ange. emailed that her Henry v. probably nephew of Richard A of 6 P Street. Details supplied to her. Richard Austwick's brother married and had a family - one of his sons - another Henry, also a waterman in 1901 (on canal at Stanley Ferry). There are several entries in Goole Times Street Directories for more than one "H. Austwick" living in Goole between 1907 and 1940. These addresses were: Canalside 1907; 8 Sotheron Street and 3 Mill Yard 1910; 29 R.C. Street 1912; 11 Fleeman's Buildings and Back Couper Street 1913; 73 Jefferson Street, 45 Edinburgh Street and Back Couper Street 1914; Bk Couper Street, 73 Edinburgh St. and 44 Edinburgh St. 1915; 44 Edinburgh St 1916; 9 Estcourt St., 55 Burlington Cresc., and 34 Estcourt Street 1919; 1921; 1922; 1923; 1924; 44 Edinburgh St. and 55 Burlington Crescent 1925; 1927; 28 Weatherill Street., 44 Edinburgh St., and 55 Burlington Cresc. 1928; 55 Burlington Cresc. and 9 Hilda Street 1932; (NB. remaining 30's not checked) but an H. Austwick at 17 Mendip Avenue 1940.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 13/03/2008 10:19

Website revealed this entry relating to vessels in port at Goole 1881 (http://www.angelfire.com/de/BobSanders/Goole81-2.htmlCensus: Vessel: "Elizabeth" H. AUSTICK M 23 M Knottingley, York Master Ada AUSTICK M 19 F Hull, York, England Master's (Wife) Wm. HAU U 14 M Hull, York, England Cabin Boy) This Henry thought to have been Richard Austwick's brother, Henry, who moved to live at Goole 1891 and 1901. Ada Austick's birthplace is shown as Horncastle, Lincolnshire in later entries. At the same time, the "Two Friends" belonging to Henry Austick's father was also in port at Goole. With Richard Austwick as Mate.

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 15/03/2008 08:28

Re Ange.from Oz enquiry about her G.Grandmother Vivien (May) Keeting, confirmation received that the address 14 Bk Couper Street very probably the family address in 1914 at time of Thomas Keeting Austwick's birth. It is his mother VMK who is proving hard to trace. Any links via Old Goole, maybe the St. Thomas' Church (could be that Keeting is an Irish name, at least to my ears), would be appreciated. Thomas Keeting Austwick was one of several brothers, all watermen, born to VMK and Henry Austwick, himself a waterman.

Posted by P Wright at 29/08/2008 10:24

hi, looking over all the contibutions to this site, re: "clarrie" sherburns shop corner of burlington cres and alexandra st ,it was dorrie sherburn who lived further up burlington cres, we lived at 72 burlington cres, knocked down circa 1968..? trying to trace relatives,ida hill was my grandmother who brought me up, my g grandmother grannie Darragh lived in broad way no 12, remember they only had two gas lights in the two downstairs rooms, candles elsewhere,Eastgate flats used to have a green grass hill,now the car park, long hot summer days,ice cream cart hand pushed, and sunday school oppisite the parish church, later on joined "church lads brigade", believe i was the youngest there,about 6 or 7 years old,any info on any of the above appreciated, and yes i used to lay in rc street and phoenix street, broadway etc etc

Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 05/09/2008 10:51

Thank you for your interesting memories about housing and shops in Burlington Crescent and Broadway too. When I knew Clarrie Sherburn's sweetshop(s), she was in a "wooden shack" opposite the Tower cinema, and later moved into a unit next to Fawbert's stationery business at the Con. Club end of Carlisle Street. Don't know about Dorrie Sherburn, though. The surname Darragh suggests links with former landlords of Burlington Hotel. Not sure whether you are wanting to find more about your family history or to hear from childhood friends etc. A look through the Goole Cemetery Memorials (a labour of love by Boothferry Family & Local History Group) shows entry 607 in Vol. 6 to be that for Barbara J Wright and Ida Alice Hill, and gives their dates of birth and death. With that info. and a guess that your Grandmother was a Darragh, a free look online at www.ancestryco.uk Births, Deaths and Marriages will show her birth entry, mother's name Rutter, and four entries for male Darraghs born at Goole between 1908 and 1917, probably your Grandmother's brothers. There are Darraghs still living in Goole, too.
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